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Guest post: Camila Batmanghelidjh - 'Our child protection system is failing'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 27/06/2014 10:56

Steven is seven years old. He has been excluded permanently from his school for violent behaviour. The reports about him are full of descriptions of how badly behaved he is. Eventually, the local authority, having been unable to find a school that would accept him, sent Steven to Kids Company for education. We were the first people to visit his home. Steven’s bed was a urine stained mattress on the floor; there was no food in the house, which explained why he always looked gaunt, and regularly stole food. His clothes were unwashed, giving other children an excuse to call him ‘Stinky’.

When we investigated further, we found another toddler in this house who exhibited savage behaviours. Further persistence brought us to the reason why both these children were so disturbed: the mother’s partner had changed his name. He is a known paedophile, and it is likely that he is sexually abusing these children. Kids Company is pushing for the social work department to carry out formal investigations.

This seven-year-old’s contact with professional agencies - his school, health visitor, GP, clinical psychologist - is illustrative of the challenges we face in our attitude to children who exhibit disturbances. If Steven had been crying, or cutting himself, people would have wondered why he was so upset, and maybe they would have felt more compassionate towards him. But chronically maltreated children learn very early on to deny themselves tender feelings - because there is nothing more humiliating that expressing pain and not being soothed for it or protected. So Steven’s second skin, the layer that keeps him safe, is his violence. By manifesting the hate he feels, he tries to communicate the intensity of the violations he is enduring, but he also gets to keep grown-ups at a distance in an attempt to self-preserve. How is Steven supposed to see the world around him as compassionate and filled with goodwill, when his mother, and the person who is supposed to be like a father to him, are the very people who violate you?

When a seven-year-old is perceived as a predator - someone who needs to be banned and excluded from places - adults tend to put a block on their own curiosity. They stop asking: what happened to this child to make him so violent? Was permanent school exclusion the best decision for him? And why didn't anyone do a home visit? Just walking into a child’s room will give you a sense of whether they are being cherished or neglected. It’s in the detail: the cleanliness of the bedsheets, the order in the wardrobe, the stench in the carpet.

There are over a million children just surviving their childhood. The Centre for Social Justice calls them the 'lone children'. They are not in local authority care, nor are they on a child protection register. Therefore, it’s assumed that they are living with a functioning parent(s). The NSPCC has to speculate, because neither local authorities nor central government want to capture the real numbers of children who are being maltreated. The state claims it has no money to meet their needs. As a result, 920,000 to 3.5 million children are thought to be living with alcoholic parents. 50,000 to 2 million children struggle with their parents’ mental health difficulties. Just under 1.8 million children survive domestic violence, and 1 in 20 children are being sexually abused. The figures for child mental health difficulties have not been updated for 10 years, but the numbers of parking meters have. Ofsted declares 1 in 7 social work departments as not fit for purpose; if 1 in 7 trains crashed, you’d suspect there was a problem with the train company, wouldn't you? And yet we don’t have the conversation about systemic failures which leave our vulnerable children without appropriate help; instead, we put the blame on the child, the parent or the individual social worker. In demonising them instead of the system, we reassure ourselves that the failing was an exception.

The current system has not changed since the Victorian times. More children are being maltreated than people dying of cancer. It’s just that kids don’t vote, so the political system doesn't prioritise them. In denying devastated kids the care they deserve, we make ourselves a sick society. And, eventually, well cared-for children will also pay the price, because there won’t be safety in their schools, on the bus, or in the streets, as children who have been perversely treated take revenge.

So, that’s why we've started our ‘See the Child, Change the System’ campaign. We want to gather the best minds, across a range of disciplines, to collectively come up with a new design for social services and child mental health. Maybe it should be called the Department of Child and Family Resilience, where social care and psychiatric workers collaborate to strengthen vulnerable families and nurture their abilities? And maybe, if we were more resourceful, the money that is being spent could reach more kids.

If your child was being harmed, you would want someone to protest and protect. It’s just that for a lot of children, there isn't a grown up in their lives who notices their pain. On their behalf, we want you to help us change the system so that it can give them the care children deserve. Please watch this and sign our petition for change, it’s less than two minutes of your time, but it could help you change a child’s life.

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TheHoneyBadger · 28/06/2014 09:01

the mpqs campaign is just helping them anyway - why give assholes tips on how to not let the world they're assholes?? better its out in the open i'd say.

Eveningsaregettingshorter · 28/06/2014 12:44

I suspect Stooshe is referring to the comments made in 2006 by this lady regarding black mothers being partially responsible for family breakdown. This was reported on BBC news

TheHoneyBadger · 28/06/2014 13:00

found it here

she manages to insult women, black women and single mothers. pretty impressive.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/06/2014 13:03

i'm not even black and i'm massively offended by her statements there. she manages to blame women for men's behaviour, imply single parent households must be shite due to lack of male role models (presumably ss female couples are shit too) and generalise hideously about a group based on their ethnicity. nice one.

MerryMarigold · 28/06/2014 14:33

To be fair, I think there's a couple of other people quoted there in that article.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/06/2014 15:32

yes, i was purely looking at the words that came out of her mouth - plenty of her own words there. what a shame she spouted off like that against a group who already face more than enough stigma and barriers.

Spero · 28/06/2014 15:35

There are at least four people quoted in that article, one of whom who identifies as a black woman.

If you don't think lack of male role models has caused enormous problems in our society, then I don't know where you live, somewhere lovely presumably. And I am a single parent, if you would like to have a of at me too.

All that this woman has done and continues to do for children and you are all over some article from 2006 where she is briefly quoted along with others.

Shame on you.

Spero · 28/06/2014 15:46

I am angry now.

This is a thread about the child protection system. Is it failing? Yes.
Are children neglected, abused and suffering enormous harm. Yes.

Is anyone doing anything about it? CB is trying to.

If you want to start a thread about how she is in fact a massive misogynistic racist whose just been in deep cover as a faux concerned social activist for 20 years, could you go and do that and stop crapping all over this thread?

NoArmaniNoPunani · 28/06/2014 17:28

Signed. Camilla is fantastic

alsojp1 · 28/06/2014 18:04

My heart sinks when I see these poor impoverished children come into my Youth Courts followed sometimes by feckless single mothers. Poor little souls have never stood a chance from the day they were born..having said that very often the children often appear with no loving parent good or bad. It seems no one has ever cared enough to even talk to them never mind cherish them. We all fail these children, we need to turn to the responsible agencies en masse and demand change, earlier intervention,better and more fostering and care and for us as a society to show we care about 'our' children.
I am sick of hearing 'lessons have been learned' 'never again' and nothing changes! No one ever takes responsibility. I remember Maria Cauldwell most of you will not have been born then ..and the same old platitudes are rolled out year after year. As if that makes it all OK. It doesn't.
Thank God for Camila but she is only in London ..these children are everywhere, in every town and village, hidden and I fear ignored because people are too afraid to interfere.
We need many more people like Camila.

Greenrememberedhills · 28/06/2014 18:39

Echo that this should be the mn campaign .

CB does stunning work. At one point you could support them by dying their online shop for cards etc.

theuncivilservant79 · 28/06/2014 20:44

I imagine cb statements in 2006 are based on local evidence and or families she's worked with. She made an observation that may be true in specific demographics. She's invoking conversations about why young black males are so over represented in the criminal justice system. Those conversations are uncomfortable.

I love cb her work is amazing I wish she could run childrens services in the uk

Greenrememberedhills · 28/06/2014 22:07

By buying from!

bsmirched · 28/06/2014 22:17

We in primary schools are beating our heads against a brick wall, trying to get SWs to act in cases of obvious neglect. One family, for example were previously on the CP register but 'proved' they could make the necessary changes at home - for as long as it took to get SS off their backs. Things are back to virtually square one now but we cannot get SS interested. As for CAMHS - we've had children waiting over 2 years to be seen. Our local office has only 2 staff.

weatherall · 28/06/2014 22:23

Looking to social work departments to 'fix' problem families is like looking to oncologists to 'fix' smoking related lung cancer.

Prevention is the key.

unrealhousewife · 29/06/2014 00:55

Bsmirched can you write to the lg ombudsman?

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 08:14

bsmirched it's awful with the older kids too. if they haven't been interested in intervening when they were little and helpless they certainly don't care once they're bigger and have lost any cute factor they might have had.

the worst age group i've worked with are those that are 16-18. ss do a merry dance of avoiding them and ignoring phonecalls and appeals for help as do camhs - it has often seemed an utterly deliberate ploy knowing that once they turn 18 they're someone else's problem.

i've supported kids who are living in terrible situations who are tecnically old enough to move out but due to their own mental health problems or learning difficulties haven't got the where-with-all to do so and to access services and support independently. ss is not interested, nor camhs and the thought of these kids landing at 18 without any support having been given to prepare them for it is awful.

i suppose also that they are likely to be the next generation of parents unable to provide safety and sanity for their children.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 08:18

not because they are, as someone upthread said, 'feckless single mums' but because they too are products of neglect or abuse and institutional disregard. the children people are ready to feel sympathy for become the adults reproducing their problems because there was no intervention or help so they're just muddling onwards.

Mitzi50 · 29/06/2014 09:36

bsmirched - my experience is exactly the same. It took me nearly a year to get SW to act regarding a child who I believed was being sexually abused. Sadly I was correct and the child was removed from the home.

Spero · 29/06/2014 09:44

This explains my utter frustration over the years with those who keep banging on that SW are paid bonuses to 'snatch' children from loving homes. My most frequent complaint in care proceedings is that local authorities have waited far, far too long to intervene and remove children, leaving them suffering for years.

But how is that anyone's 'fault' when individual SW have horrific case loads and can barely keep on top of the emergency situations?

To turn this ship around - if indeed it can be - is going to require a massive shift on so many levels. Blaming 'feckless' people is not the answer BUT we do need to have the conversations that are uncomfortable, including why are young black men are so disproportionately perpetrators and victims of violent crime. I think various commentators have tried to point out that there are very many influences operating in society which have had serious negative impact on family structures and on black families in particular.

I am sure that individual failings and weaknesses have played a role - how could they not, we all have them - but these pale into insignificance against inequalities created and maintained by the state, whether this happened consciously or as a result of the law of unintended consequences.

if any time anyone tries to have these conversations they are just shot down as racist or liberal 'do gooders' (as is what happens to me whenever I attempt to discuss these issues on any thread it seems, often I appear to be accused of being both at the same time) then no wonder nothing will ever change.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 09:59

in my mind, though personally i won't be part of it as i've stopped teaching and stopped sending my son to school, if schools are meant to be meaningfully inclusive and to do deal with the scope of social, psychological and welfare issues they're being expected to, then you have to have counsellors, social workers, nurses etc IN schools. the massive red tape referrals, waiting lists, hoops to jump through etc need to be removed and schools need specialists on site.

you also need to start doing proper risk assessments on children with behavioural issues (obviously starting with checking the behaviour is not the acting out of abuse or neglect at home) and care plans. protecting that child and dealing with their issues in a joined up way whilst also protecting staff and other students from the behaviour.

we constantly get told schools need to x, y and z as well. oh here's another social problem, get schools to deal with it. well ok, but then locate the funding and the services and the personnel IN school so they can do that.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 10:05

on that note i find it utterly baffling that we leave people till crisis before putting them on a waiting list to get help. things like anxiety, mood management, self esteem, self care etc in the sort of basic CBT approach could easily be delivered to kids in groups.

my main specialisms in the working world have been in teaching and in mental health and the fact that the two can't join up to be used meaningfully baffles me. the first time i left teaching i had hopes of doing mental health education for kids in schools. i soon found out that even organisations like MIND in my area found that even when they offered to go in for free to do stuff schools weren't interested.

my ideal job would be based in schools delivering workshops on what is mental health, how do we deal with anxiety, what is self esteem, relaxation and breathing techniques etc to groups of say 12 kids. every child would come through my doors at least once a year in their secondary school life as part of their personal education and pastoral care. alongside that for those who need it further support would be available on site in terms of counselling, advice etc.

chances of me ever seeing that job advertised? hmm.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 10:10

this is what i'd do:

-what is mental health?
-dealing with anxiety and stress
-self esteem and self care
-relationships and boundaries
-wellbeing

say you did those five as standard to all kids and had further programmes going on for those who need referring to them like dealing with trauma, grief and loss, dealing with anger, dealing with differences etc.

WHY aren't we doing this stuff?

dashoflime · 29/06/2014 10:22

I don't think its fair to characterise the problems in child protection as some kind of bias towards birth parents.
The same failures that prevent children being removed quickly enough- also result in parents not being supported properly where problems could potentially be sorted out with help. Its part of the same problem.
A friend of mine has recently left social work.
She told me that where she worked there were two social work teams. One was focused on supporting parents to change. The other was aimed more towards assessment of whether to remove the child, report writing, then off to court.
When referrals came in, they were supposed to be assessed and, based on the seriousness of the situation, allocated to the "support" team or the "removal" team (They weren't actually called that. I don't know the proper terminology sorry)
In reality, because of the pressures on the system, cases were just sent to whichever team had most capacity.
If a family got allocated to the "removal" team (which was where my firend worked) their experiance of social work would be someone visiting every so often, observing the situation and deciding whether it had reached the point where the children should be removed. Often the families would be crying out for practical help, asking my friend over and over. She couldn't provide it.
If it never reached the threshold for removal, the case would be closed with no real help given.
If it did- then my friend would effectively have been standing by, perhaps for some period of time, doing nothing, just waiting for things to inevitably get worse, then writing the report for court. Yet from the outside, because there was a long social services involvement, it would look as though the parents had been given "chance after chance." In fact they had been given no chances. Just set up to fail.
I have another friend, who's children were removed and her experiance was the same. The social services were an additional terrifying pressure, on top of the serious problems her family was facing. Eventually things fell apart under that pressure and the children were removed.

Spero · 29/06/2014 10:59

Agree - there needs to be clear demarcation between a SW who is there to assess a family for support and a SW who is there to look for evidence of ill treatment to justify removal. I don't think one person can do both jobs AND retain the trust of the family without having lot of time devoted to building a relationship with family, and SW don't have that time.

Also agree that there needs to be more thinking about how to help people with mental health issues such as anxiety and depression but much of that is better directed to prevention rather than attempting cures or alleviation when people are stuck in horrible social situations which will only exacerbate existing feelings of alienation and hopelessness.

We are more like the US in terms of society structuring the perpetuation of inequalities, than other European countries, I would like us to be more European.

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