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Guest debate: What should we be doing to support renting families?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 11/06/2014 16:18

In April, MN Blogger Fiona Elsted wrote a powerful guest post asking why renting a home has to be so tough on families – and plenty of posters shared their stories, too.

Here, Housing Minister Kris Hopkins and Shadow Housing Minister Emma Reynolds debate the best way to tackle the issue.

Emma Reynolds MP, Shadow Housing Minister:

"Last month, Fiona Elsted's frustrations and anxiety struck a chord with many people who are renting, had rented in the past or had close friends or relatives with similar experiences.

It also struck a chord with me, because, since I was appointed Shadow Housing Minister late last year, I've heard countless stories about the problems encountered by families and many other people who are renting privately.

That's why I'm proud that, last month, Ed Miliband announced that a Labour government would reform the private rented sector to provide greater stability and security for renters and families.

Under our plans, we will legislate to make three-year, long-term tenancies with predictable rents the norm, and, as part of our plan to deal with the cost-of-living crisis, we want to ban agents from charging letting fees to tenants. These measures would allow the nine million people who rent – including 1.3 million families with children – to live safe in the knowledge that their rents will not jump up from one year to the next, nor will they be evicted at two months’ notice.

Labour will reform the current system so tenancies would start with a six-month probation period - if the renter passes this period, the tenancy will automatically run for a further two-and-a-half years, providing the security that many crave. We will also pass legislation for predictable rents in order to stop excessive hikes in rents out of sync with the market.

Landlords and tenants will set initial rents based on market value as they do now, and conduct a rent review no more than once a year. Rents could be reviewed downwards, upwards, or stay the same – it will be subject to market conditions. But there would be an upper ceiling on any rent increases, based on a benchmark such as inflation or average market rents.

And it's not just about the rent. Giving people back the ability to plan the family budget is an essential part of our reforms, but it's also about something much deeper - giving people the confidence that they have a home in a community where they can put down roots.

As Fiona highlighted, families who rent privately are nine times more likely to have moved than home owners. Few people enjoy moving, it’s a stressful and anxious time for home-owners and renters alike. But imagine having to do it every few months or years. It's not just the time spent packing boxes and paying for removals, it’s the disruption, or, as Fiona put it, “the tears, the anxiety, and the genuine sadness”. Children who move regularly are faced with either the strain of changing schools or the burden of a longer journey each day.

As well as providing confidence and security, our reforms will remove the sense that a rented property is not a home. Why re-paint the bannisters and skirting boards or maintain the garden if you're not sure if you’ll be there in a couple of months’ time? Without that sense of insecurity, renters will not only have peace of mind, but they’ll feel able to take pride in a home that's really theirs, re-decorating the property and getting to know their neighbours.

Landlords stand to benefit from our reforms too. By encouraging a long-term approach, they are far more likely to have good tenants who pay the rent each month and care for the property as if it were their own.

There will also be strong safeguards for landlords. If their circumstances change and they need to sell the property or move back in, or if tenants fall into rent arrears or commit anti-social behaviour, landlords will be able to reclaim their property. We’ll make sure this is a streamlined process and that the circumstances for recovery of the property are fair on both sides - but the practice of evicting tenants because they've complained about the standards in their property is not acceptable and will be brought to an end.

We've come in for some criticisms for our proposals. The Conservative Party has dismissed our plans as “Venezuelan style rent controls”. This is a great shame, because the government had previously said it was in favour of longer-term tenancies, but has failed to make any changes to bring them about.

It's also a shame because our private rented market is one of the most unstable in Europe. In Ireland, similar changes were made ten years ago – with no adverse impacts on the market. And it's a similar story elsewhere: in France they have a three-year tenancy period, in Spain it's five years, and in Germany – where half the population rents, and 60 per cent of landlords are individuals – there is indefinite tenure.

And it's a shame because David Cameron has often claimed that the Conservative Party want to stand up for families. "Families are the most important institution in our society. We have to do everything in our power to strengthen them”, he tell us. And yet, he opposes Labour's reforms to the private rented sector, which will do just that, by providing renting families with security, stability, and peace of mind.

Of course, as well as reforming the private rented sector, we need to be building many more homes to ensure housing is more affordable and home ownership is a realistic prospect for young people and families. That's why Labour has committed to increasing house building to 200,000 homes a year by 2020.

But even if we build many more homes, I agree with Fiona that the "private rented sector needs to be fair and less precarious for all, but particularly for young families". The status quo is simply not working for the millions of people renting from private landlords. Fiona rightly asks why private renting has to be so tough on families - but the truth is it doesn't have to be. That's why Labour will reform private renting so the sector can provide decent, stable and affordable homes for all."

Kris Hopkins MP, Minister for Housing:

"As someone who has lived in a council house, I know exactly what it is like to experience the world of renting, but also to strive to leave it, too. It was the aspiration of my parents to own their own home, and they made sacrifices to achieve that. Holidays, meals out, treats; these were all carefully considered so that they could afford the mortgage. This was my own experience, too, after I left the army.

My parents wanted to better themselves, and for them, this meant making the long-term investment of home ownership. For today’s generation who share this same drive, Help to Buy is making the transition from renting to owning so much easier. So far, it has helped [[https://www.gov.uk/government/
news/help-to-buy-building-a-new-generation-of-homeowners 27,000 households]] turn their dream into a reality. [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/10862683/Help-To-Buy-not-driving-property-bubble-
Treasury-says.html 85%]] of sales have gone to first time buyers, and the vast majority have been sold outside of London. Property sales are at their highest level since 2009, and mortgage approvals were up 39% last year.

The very British tradition of home ownership is about much more than just having a nest-egg. Home is a place of sanctuary, a place most of us cannot wait to see at the end of the day. Owning that home can also be a source of pride, and in my opinion, it is that unique feeling that keeps the dream of home ownership alive.

We must remember, though, that whilst home ownership remains the desired choice for many – it isn't the full story. There are those who enjoy the flexibility and freedom of renting, or aren't in a position to afford or commit to a mortgage. It is our job to ensure that the system does not penalise those people for not being home owners, and that renters have access to affordable and high quality places, wherever they want to live.

The best way to ensure improvement of housing standards for renters is to increase the housing supply. Topping up choice and availability is the natural path to driving up quality. The £1 billion Build to Rent fund is one way we are achieving this - by progressing large-scale rental sites and producing up to ten thousand new homes. On top of this, we've delivered 170,000 new affordable homes since 2010 and our Affordable Housing Guarantee scheme (which enables housing associations to borrow money at more favourable terms, so they can build more homes), is providing real support. Up to £3.5 billion worth of guaranteed loans are available for affordable housing developments across the UK.

For those who call for rent control, I disagree. It is simply a sure-fire way to choke off supply. Those with a longer memory than Labour will remember that this was tried and tested – and it failed. It caused the rental sector to shrink, and a move towards rent controls again would hold back investment at a time when we need it most. Just last week, Jersey's Housing Minister, Deputy Andrew Green, reflected the exact same sentiment – that the best thing for the price of rentals is to increase supply.

Many renters have called for more protections – and this government has delivered. We're working on a Model Tenancy Agreement, which will support tenants who would like longer, family-friendly rentals, taking the edge off for parents who want peace of mind and a stable environment for their children. We want to encourage longer tenancies free from the fear of upheaval. Additionally, the code of practice will set the benchmark for a well-managed property.

Not only are we making sure that tenants (and landlords) are aware of their rights and responsibilities with the How to Rent guide we are publishing, we are also making it easier for them to complain when they do not receive the service they are entitled to. Complaints about a letting or management service will be heard by approved redress schemes, and if upheld, tenants will be entitled to compensation.

Lastly, we've been clear that exploitative landlords have absolutely no place in our rental sector. Local authorities can now take decisive action to prosecute landlords who do not comply with the law, and we have allocated £6.7 million to local authorities where this issue is particularly prevalent.

To make the private rented sector bigger and better, we have made our policies bolder. I have seen the frustration and upset that an unstable housing situation can cause, and hard-working people deserve better than that. It’s a legacy of uncertainty that we will not allow to carry on. Renting is not the second choice, nor the lesser choice. It’s a choice that deserves better recognition and support, because whether mortgaged or rented, everyone deserves a place that they can call home."

Guest debate: What should we be doing to support renting families?
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IfNotNowThenWhen · 13/06/2014 11:27

"our Build to Rent scheme - £1billion investment to deliver up to 10,000 new homes specifically for private rent, increasing choice and professionalising property management; a How to Rent guide so people know exactly what their rights are when they rent in the private sector; changes to ensure letting agents are upfront about the fees they charge,"

Wow. So, just more profit for property developers, throwing up shitty, poky, overpriced rabbit hutches for the likes of us to pay through the nose for then?
And How to Rent Guide (how patronising by the way) to inform us of our rights (none) and ensure letting agents are upfront about charging the they charge, rather than actually preventing them from doing so.
Fab. Really helpful.

Kris, dear, (see I can be patronising too), you are simply not listening to any of us. We need social housing, built by councils. Not green space eaten up by private developers, who may or may not be jolly good pals with politicians. We need the housing benefit bill to be massively reduced, which affordable LA rents would achieve. ACTUALLY afforable rents.
And most importantly we need SECURITY of tenure, so we are not bringing our children up in a series of insecure places that can never be a real home.
I am currently sitting with a section 21 which will mean that my child and I could very well be actually homeless in a month. I do not have another grand to spend on moving. I might have to take my child out of the school where he is doing so well (gifted and talented dontcha know) and move him God knows where.
(I am working by the way, and the section 21 is because the landlord is selling due to the sudden bubble in house prices, cheers for that George Osbourne.)
My child has moved 4 times in his short life. All we want is a home, a real one where we can get a cat and have a veggie patch. When my child says "can we stay here forever?" the next time we move I would like to say "if we want to, yes."

SOCIAL HOUSING NOT MORE PRIVATE LANDLORDS!

cheeznbreed · 13/06/2014 12:06

IfNotNowThenWhen

The section 21 to take advantage of Osborne's ruinous price bubble reflation is not something Labour would change, and they would not cancel HTB, here's Reynolds talking about the "Help to Buy" scheme being 'welcome':

press.labour.org.uk/post/87188947564/help-to-buy-rising-demand-for-housing-must-be-matched

“Any help for first-time buyers struggling to get on the property ladder is welcome. But rising demand for housing must be matched with rising supply if this scheme is to bring buying a home within the reach of low-and-middle-income earners."
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As I said earlier, an unarguable recession in security of tenure in prospect from Labour, which is saying something from the current private rental rights.

soleils7 · 13/06/2014 12:15

IfNotNowThenWhen - I feel real rage on your behalf. You have presented the problem so clearly and eloquently. Thanks for that.
I really hope things work out for you. Somehow. (but it won't be thanks to Mr Hopkins, that for sure - might as well speak to a wall)

IfNotNowThenWhen · 13/06/2014 13:02

Thanks soleils. We are on the list for a HA place in our area, so are hanging on in there and hoping for the best really. Trying to get the LL to hold off for a while.
And, no, I think as long as so many politicians are BTL landlords themselves, and as long as so many of them seem to have personal investment in property development, I can't see them putting the needs (and rights) of half the nation over their own greedy desires. It's so depressing.

cheezenbreed Yes, you are probably right. I don't have high hopes of Labour to actually do what needs doing either, sadly.

Damnautocorrect · 13/06/2014 14:27

It costs me 3-5k each time I move, that's boxes, fees, post redirection etc etc. That's an awful lot of money to find at the drop of a hat and to just 'waste' on something that's not my choice.

greeneggsandjam · 13/06/2014 14:49

Dear Kris

I would love to be able to take advantage of your Help to buy scheme. Unfortunately I am not able to take you up on your offer as despite working full time I do not earn enough to even buy a garage round these parts. Never mind eh?

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 13/06/2014 14:59

All that help to buy would do would enable me to borrow more than I can afford to repay. It's not a solution to private renting woes.

expatinscotland · 13/06/2014 15:14

The second I read that twaddle about 'aspiration', 'sacrifices', bettering oneself through home purchase and going without meals out and holidays, Mr Hopkins revealed how out of touch with reality he and his party are.

The private rental sector is insecure, discriminatory and a con on the taxpayer.

And so he suggests Help to Buy.

WhosLookingAfterCourtney · 13/06/2014 16:02

STOP ENCOURAGING BTL!

Surely a smaller private rental sector and more social housing would mean those who want a council house can have one, those who want to buy can afford to, and those who want private rentals (not sure who would choose this tbh, a tiny minority) could have them.

Vested interests is the reason this won't happen. Pure greed and selfishness on your part, Mr Tory Council-House.

expatinscotland · 13/06/2014 16:21

The entire system of letting agents needs serious reform and regulation.

Charging hundreds of pounds for printing out paper, treating tenants like scum, inspections, etc.

Private renting is not a stable, secure option for many people.

usualnamechanger · 13/06/2014 18:07

I do not see why you mumsnetters are bothering with this, nothing is going to change. However, I would like euthanasia to be legal in the UK, so we can all kill ourselves once our children do not need us anymore.

StrumpersPlunkett · 13/06/2014 21:50

just a quick question
if you have a 3 year tenancy (which I would love BTW)
what notice period is acceptable within that?

if the tenant fails to pay the rent how long will it take to remove the tenant?

fakenamefornow · 13/06/2014 22:22

What is going on with house prices as well? It seems that every spare bit of money we (as a country) get goes straight into pushing house prices up. We are coming out of a recession and all the growth made just seems to have been gobbled up by increased property prices. It's madness and I say that as a homeowner and a landlord.

Viviennemary · 13/06/2014 22:45

I saw on the news that interest rates are to rise. They have kind of sneaked this in. My opinion is that a lot of people who paid inflated prices will be in trouble. The whole thing has gone mad.

Escada · 14/06/2014 04:24

This problem requires a quantum leap in terms of building more housing and helping tenants: build two million new properties rather than 200,000, and bring landlord & tenant legislation back to something like the situation before 1979. The UK has become a third-world slum in terms of the lack of secure tenancies and job security. Genuinely embarrassing.

cheeznbreed · 14/06/2014 07:35

StrumpersPlunkett

Currently, if you have an AST of 3 years then you are committed to stay for the three years (or are at least liable for the rent for that period), subject to any mutually agreed break clause which may be included.

The flip side of this is that the landlord cannot remove you within your AST period, subject to you fulfilling the obligations on payment of rent etc, except in exceptional circumstances where they may be able to convince a court to evict for a variety of reasons(e.g. redevelopment). The key aspect is that it would require court action and a good reason to attempt to evict a tenant who is fulfilling their tenancy obligations and is within their AST period.

Labour's proposals reduce the bar from court action to filling in a piece of paper for some scenarios, and introduce other means of serving an S21 which it seems to me a court would likely not agree with at all (selling and personal/family use). An indisputable watering down of security.

StrumpersPlunkett · 14/06/2014 08:17

Cool thanks. Just realised I have mixed up my threads this morning and gone on a rant on a totally different thread eeek we so need an edit button.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/07/2014 01:21

Build social housing!! and buy back the ex council houses to rent out!

JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth · 13/01/2015 22:01

Renting is a heart breaking experience.

I sold my house due to divorce. I'm renting privately. The first house was put up for sale within a few months of us moving in. Since the landlord had bought the house only two weeks before we moved in this was a massive shock.

I suffered anxiety and depression because there seemed to be nowhere else in the area to rent.

We finally found somewhere new to rent close by. But I'm still suffering panic attacks because I know the landlord will sell the house from under house. I don't know when but it will happen. That's business.

Our savings were decimated in the move with fees etc

Struggling to find 5 per cent deposit but I have to for the sake of my mental health. I'm desperately trying to repair my credit rating and finances so I can buy one day to give my three kids some stability.

I don't know who to vote for. No one cares.

My new husband and I both work full time with decent wages yet have hardly anything left after rent, bills and food.

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