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Ed Miliband's childcare proposals - is wraparound care really the solution?

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 18/11/2013 17:17

Ed Miliband has announced that a Labour government would improve access to affordable childcare by introducing a "legal guarantee" of 8am - 6pm provision for primary-aged children, through breakfast and after-school clubs. On the face of it this sounds great. Access to affordable childcare is a major issue for so many mothers, distorting whatever semblance of choice we have in how we raise our families and pay our bills. Surely by increasing access we're moving one step closer to supporting our families in the way we would all wish?

I'm a little unsure. I like what this proposal would do in practice but the broader message makes me uneasy. According to Miliband:
Parents who want to work should be able to do so. We need to use the talents of everyone if we are to succeed as an economy and keep social security bills down. Seven out of 10 stay at home mums tell surveys that the cost of childcare has deterred them from looking for a job.

There's something about the wording of this - the pro-business rhetoric - that unsettles me. Labour will help you ensure that your family isn't a drain on the state. Is this really what passes for pro-family politics? Are we moving towards a social model which is more supportive of family life or merely more controlling?

I'll be honest: I already benefit from sending my children to a school that has wraparound childcare. I choose my words carefully; I'm not sure how much they benefit, other than by the obvious fact that as our family's main earner I need to pay the mortgage and my children need a home. My kids prefer it when I'm able to pick them up straight from school, expressing excitement if any day is a "home" day. I can torture myself with guilt over this but what is the point? I don't have any extended family nearby and Daddy has a one-hour commute. That's life, eh? But does it really have to be this way?

It often feels to me that between my mother's generation and my own, there's been a cultural shift that hasn't been wholly to our benefit. We've gone from prioritising family values in a way that limited women's ability to earn towards prioritising the needs of employers in a way that diminishes family life. Instead of taking a step back and overhauling our whole understanding of pay, value and reward - something which the Wages For Housework campaign wished to achieve - we've allowed politicians and employers who are not primary carers to make the odd modification to their prized, protected system. "See? You have the right to ask - to ask! - for flexible working! And to pick your children up after ten hours in school! Why aren't you happy yet? What is your problem?"

My problem is this: family life and caring work aren't to be slotted in around the needs of perennially grudging employers. They're central to who we all are and how we shape our future. By this, I don't mean that ideally, all women should be angels of the hearth instead of ball-breaking career women. Such stereotypes have only made us blame ourselves for not having made "better" choices about our lives when really, we can only make do with what's available. Other options - career sabbaticals, job shares, increased wages to allow for more part-time work, decreased wage inequality, the outrageous idea that actually, even those who "don't work" (ha!) deserve a political voice - haven't been on the table. There's been no creativity. We've accepted the lie that this is the only way things can ever be and at times we've even allowed it to make us turn on each other.

I think we are afraid of engaging with this debate fully in case it damages our status as women, casting us either as bad mothers who need to spend more time in the home or unreliable workers who let down their employers and colleagues by doing just that. It's not fair that these feel like our only choices. I'm not against Miliband's proposal; if it gives other families the basic support required to earn a wage, something from which I've benefited myself, how could I be? But I think we need to ask for something even more radical, something that really turns things upside down. The problem isn't that we're failing our families or employers, but that the weak, commercialised concept of work-life balance is still failing us and our kids.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 22/11/2013 21:08

You dispute that schools have terms and times that parents accommodate?
Unless you home school your family routine is prescriptive,and you fit in family life is altered by external factors eg public holidays,family life fits in around work

Bonsoir · 23/11/2013 08:58

We chose schools that suit our family - our values, what we wish our DC to learn, our DC's talents and ambitions and that are somewhere we wish to live. Not the reverse! Our whole family life is set up around the environment in which we wish to live with the things we wish to do. Work finances our lifestyle.

And most thinking people do it that way.

NumptyNameChange · 23/11/2013 09:47

let's hope your husband doesn't decide working no longer suits his values bonsoir or he fancies another family. you might have to rethink.

NumptyNameChange · 23/11/2013 09:56

that sounded awful sorry! i just mean that you need to bear in mind the privileges you have whilst declaring it's all about choices and that those don't apply to all.

i find it difficult for women who don't work to be commenting on what childcare is needed for those who do tbh. i can't see why if you're happy with your own lifestyle and not working and are being financially supported you would want to tell women in different positions what they should/shouldn't do let alone what they do/don't need.

scottishmummy · 23/11/2013 11:10

So by attending school,and your do working your family life is dictated by external factors
You chose from the available schools and you had to accommodate their hours,they didn't offer you individualised start/finish time
Employment,school all impose and impact upon families and families fall in line.thats how it is

scottishmummy · 23/11/2013 11:15

Yes if you have no intention of using wraparound care it really doesn't have significance
Some are extrapoloating as if they'll be compelled to incarcerate their dc in Afterschool
It's a great idea,because habitually parents cite lack of decent childcare as barrier to work

southeastastra · 23/11/2013 11:22

but this was bought out years ago, lots of us (afterschool workers) were subsidised to gain degrees to professionalise the workforce. There are now alot of qualified workers who were made redundant during the change over of the last election. lots left the profession.

scottishmummy · 23/11/2013 11:34

Well clearly there's a demand,and in most surveys childcare most cited factor in hindering return to work
I joined a nursery waiting list when pg, the cm round here have waiting lists
There is a demand,and I think any initiative that support working parents Is great

NumptyNameChange · 23/11/2013 12:21

they need to be affordable and competitively priced though - ideally subsidised or on sliding scale prices.

at our school even if the afterschool club actually had places i doubt i'd use it as it is cheaper to send ds to a childminder for some bizarre reason. the afterschool club is overpriced despite not needing to collect the children and walk them anywhere and despite less adults to children than the childminder. that doesn't make sense to me.

CM charges £4ph and takes for part hours so ds can go for an hour and a half for £6 including being picked up from school and given a decent snack. after school club is £8 regardless of how long they're there and they come out starving and cold as it's in a mobile so the school avoids having to have parents in the school and therefore have to lock up etc.

much as i'm anti privatisation i'd say schools have mainly proved themselves unwilling and incompetent to offer this service well and it would probably be an idea to take tenders from companies willing to run the service. given the facilities would be given free they would be able to keep prices low.

NumptyNameChange · 23/11/2013 12:23

and you really, really don't need a degree to work in an afterschool club even in this crazy time surely?

southeastastra · 23/11/2013 17:19

why can't i view the last posts in this thread?:S

LCHammer · 23/11/2013 17:21

That's happened to me as well, gave up on the thread.

southeastastra · 23/11/2013 17:23

of course you don't need a degree but it was a way to professionalise the workforce and raise standards. (alledgedly) Wink

NumptyNameChange · 23/11/2013 21:29

way to waste time and money and deprive simple jobs to people who need them without having to jump through hoops.

southeastastra · 23/11/2013 21:42

sorry have to post to read last message!

southeastastra · 23/11/2013 21:47

level 3 qualification to run after school clubs/playschemes. just because the children are older it doesn't mean you don't need to know about development/safeguarding etc

in one sense it was good as it enabled lots of a/s workers to gain qualifications to move forward in their own careers but it was such a shame that the change in government made so many workers and schemes redundant.

I would always think wraparound care is a good thing but it needs to be staffed by qualified experienced workers and i am sure most people would want their children cared for by people who care enough to be qualified in the field.

NumptyNameChange · 24/11/2013 10:07

i'd just want nice, kind people who were fun and caring and could possibly listen to a child read or help with their writing if they wanted to do their homework. that doesn't require qualifications. there really is no need to professionalise absolutely everything and all it does is bump up costs, turn a profit for a training business, create barriers to work that don't need to be there etc.

it's a job that would suit the retired, students, lunchtime supervisers who want to pick up a few more hours, all sorts who don't have time or inclination to go doing qualifications in order to earn minimum wage for small hour contracts but who could be perfectly capable of providing a supportive, safe and pleasant environment for kids for a couple of hours after school.

they really don't need to know about development and safeguarding can be a short session during induction.

Bonsoir · 24/11/2013 10:48

"So by attending school,and your do working your family life is dictated by external factors."

No of course it isn't. The content of family life is not the timetable of family life. Inevitably there are many timetabling constraints on all aspects of life, but timetabling is not content... for those of us with imaginations.

WidowWadman · 24/11/2013 11:41

numpty - I'd feel uncomfortable if people who worked in childcare didn't know about safeguarding.

whereiseveryone · 24/11/2013 11:58

The whole thing is a mess now. Equality has come and bitten women on the bum. I think the only way we will start to overcome it is if more women with children start businesses with working practices sympathetic to family life. We'll wait forever if we leave it up to men.

To be honest, I'm really glad that I don't have children or this headache.

NumptyNameChange · 24/11/2013 12:01

safeguarding is pretty straightforward - you don't need a qualification - you need an induction session on what, how, etc and to know who the safeguarding officer is and that you must take ANY concerns to them.

saragossa2010 · 24/11/2013 12:04

Most parents would support this (if the state can afford it). It sounds a very popular useful move. Plenty of school already have this and it is unfair if some do and others don't.

southeastastra · 24/11/2013 12:51

i said earlier you only need a level 3 qualification but a degree.

the degree does enable you to find ways to make sure the play/after school service sustainable too though which has been invaluable (to me) after the sector faced cuts to funding. having a degree enabled practitioners to do things like apply for grants and gave a voice to the profession.

would you be happy with pre-school teachers not having a degree in Early Years? why should 5-12 year old practitioners be any different?

(sorry for typos have hangover as I have just graduated!)

southeastastra · 24/11/2013 12:51

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scottishmummy · 24/11/2013 13:41

What on earth are you on about whereis,equality bitten women on the bum
thars a woman know yer place line if ever I heard one.yes let's remove equality drive shall we
I see you've no kids,well you see there the rub,when you do it's hard to secure good wrapround childcare

And most of us dont have the inclination,or skills to be self employed business women
It's unrealistic to suggest self employment will magically solve all parental childcare hassle
I'm happy to work ft and yes I use wraparound care,have done since dc 6 mth old

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