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Sitting maths GCSE early - how to approach

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bekindpls · 21/04/2023 13:59

With the risk of being shot down, our DC is gifted but is at a school (v academic) where they don't agree with sitting kids early for GCSEs instead encouraging enrichment activities .

I do agree with this in principle, but would be very keen for DC to get ahead with the maths as they're a bit bored and I'd rather they did something useful than spending their time gaming (Minecraft) which is now the case - they race through all their HW usually.

Plus, and this is important, their sports commitments are expected to increase drastically from Y10/11, so we want to get one GCSE out of the way early if we can.

DC is a very fast learner and once told, will remember. Very able mathematician, particularly when it comes to logic/problem solving and usually get 100% or close to 100% in maths tests at school.

So, my question is - what is the best way to quickly (starting perhaps this Summer hols - don't worry, DC will have PLENTY of spare time to chill) to get DC to work through the GCSE curriculum?

I know there is a GCSE spec Someone mentioned Save My Exams?

Ideally I'd like an online resource where you can quickly work through the various topics, ideally AI powered to be able to focus efficiently on weaker areas (but that is probably asking for too much)!

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Daftasabroom · 22/04/2023 11:34

@bekindpls why on do you want him to be studying during summer? If he wants to, fine, but it's meant to be a break.

If he wants a challenge guide him towards the Olympiads.

Daftasabroom · 22/04/2023 11:39

And for all those saying Minecraft is just playing, it can be a really great way of learning codeing and logic. DS built a working calculator where you push blocks as if they were keys and it generates an answer.

extrastrongmints · 23/04/2023 06:43

Universities don't give a monkey's when GCSEs are taken but will want to see a high grade. They do, however, want to see 3 A levels taken together to demonstrate ability to handle workload of a full-time course.
Taking a GCSE early is fine if done for the right reasons and in the right way. For maths this means the student should be significantly underchallenged by the GCSE material and firmly heading for the top grade, even if taken early, and that there should be a plan to continue with higher level material (further/additional maths GCSE, stats, or begin A level work) rather than discontinuing study of maths for a year or more. Schools don't like it because it disrupts the smooth running of their conveyor belt and offends their one-size-fits-all mentality, but it can be absolutely the right thing for a bored, underchallenged gifted child who could easily obtain the top grade then move on with higher level work.
But "getting one out of the way" to free up time to pursue a niche sport is frankly the most frivolous, unsuitable reason I've ever heard.

QuintanaRoo · 23/04/2023 06:56

Nimbostratus100 · 21/04/2023 21:55

dont do it , it is stupid and pointless - very easy to get a high grade in maths GCSE if you sit it on its own, which is why it will be totally disregarded when GCSEs are looked at in applications later on in life

My nephew is a total maths genius (just got to round two of the maths Olympiad) and his teacher parents agree with this. Out of interest when he was 11 they gave him a maths gcse paper and he scored over 90% so he was very capable of getting a high grade early but still didn’t want him to sit it early.

however since year 8 he did all his maths classes with the sixth formers as he’d totally finished the gcse syllabus and was bored. So that was briefly better but then he finished the A level syllabus. For the last couple of years he’s spent his maths lessons doing a combined of different work which his teacher has found him or exploring maths stuff he’s found off the internet.

Your sons school should be able to set him some higher level work to keep him stretched and interested regardless of when he sits the gcse. The maths Olympiad website might be a good place, they have past papers.

NellyBarney · 26/04/2023 00:13

It's looked down on as a lot of schools used to do it to get more pupils to pass their GCSEs. My local badly performing secondary would start in year 9 with 1 GCSE, then 2 or 3 in year 10 and the rest in year 11. It's way easier that way for the pupil, at least to pass, as they can concentrate on 1 or only a few revision topics at a time. The difficulty comes from taking 10plus GCSEs at the same time. To create a fair playing field, universities and Gove tried to ban the practice of taking GCSEs early. You might get permission to do it if a dc is severely struggling with SEND/MH but it might disqualify them from selective universities/6forms.

SoTedious · 28/04/2023 08:55

DD did maths early, the top two sets do at her school, and then they carry on in Y11 with an additional maths qualification (anyone who has a disaster can also retake the GCSE). They also do English Lit in Y10. I don't think universities 'look down' on early GCSEs. But he needs to fit in with the school timetable and teaching availability, and as PP say, may not be gaining anything anyway if maths is that easy for him.

Nimbostratus100 · 28/04/2023 09:28

SoTedious · 28/04/2023 08:55

DD did maths early, the top two sets do at her school, and then they carry on in Y11 with an additional maths qualification (anyone who has a disaster can also retake the GCSE). They also do English Lit in Y10. I don't think universities 'look down' on early GCSEs. But he needs to fit in with the school timetable and teaching availability, and as PP say, may not be gaining anything anyway if maths is that easy for him.

taking it in year 10 in order to continue with a further maths qualification in year 11 is not the same at all, and not what the OP was suggesting.

SoTedious · 28/04/2023 09:35

taking it in year 10 in order to continue with a further maths qualification in year 11 is not the same at all, and not what the OP was suggesting

No - the point I made is that taking GCSEs early doesn't matter to universities but that her son will have to fit around what the school can offer.

lanthanum · 06/05/2023 20:15

bekindpls · 21/04/2023 16:33

Thanks, interesting to have all the advice on here. DC's school does do FM/AM so will definitely be doing that. And maybe extra GCSEs so that it's still 10/11 in GCSE/Y11. There are many subjects DC wants to do so doing maths early would just free up thinking space and keeping DC occupied this summer. I realise lots of kids can achieve 97/98/100% - if you're able in maths it's not that difficult if you know what to cover at home. Yes, they do the maths challenges, bebras etc and DC always does v well in those but it was just a thought but realise maybe not a good idea then.

I was just wondering as I know some schools (including ours if not now, in the past) did some subjects early - e.g. languages/RS etc.

It won't free up any thinking space. If he's that good at maths, he won't be spending any time on it beyond attending lessons and a little homework.

cansu · 06/05/2023 20:43

The school don't want to facilitate it. You don't therefore have an agreed plan for what he will do while his peers are studying the gcse. He needs to study alone over the summer. Seems very poorly thought out to me.

mybrainisfull · 23/10/2023 21:15

DS did GCSE maths and eng lang during year 10 (maths in Jan, eng in the summer) I don't think it was ever an issue for the universities he applied to. (Oxbridge/Durham/Bristol).

His whole class took these exams though, so it wasn't a problem.

Araminta1003 · 07/11/2023 15:00

I am a little bit confused because you say your DC is at an academic school - so is it a grammar or a selective private school? All my DC were offered to sit the Ad Maths GCSE? Most selective schools offer that anyway. Some will do the standard GCSE alongside the AdMaths paper at the same time, others might do the standard GCSE in Year 10 and then Ad Maths in Year 11. If it is a selective school they will be used to having able mathematicians? My most able mathematician would go on websites seeking out A level questions and beyond from Year 7/8, that is what the most talented do and judging by the Olympiads there are tons of able mathematicians around anyway.
If your DS won’t self challenge, it is a bit tricky? Do school not encourage him to attend the Maths Clubs/Olympiad sessions etc?
Maths is also the one subject at uni where they discourage gap years.

Spacecowboys · 08/12/2023 19:13

Does the school not give their more able students extension work? Dcs school does. I would go for additional maths igcse rather than sitting maths gcse early, that will be a better way of challenging your dc.

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