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Advice needed...what next after Harry Potter AND is school too easy?

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WhattodoSue · 12/02/2016 10:25

I have two questions/problems which I've been hesitating asking because I don't want to sound like a pushy/boastful parent. But, I'm hoping it will be okay to ask them here because whilst I know my DD is bright, I also know she doesn't have an extraordinary academic ability like many of your DCs.

She is 6 in Y2, she is an avid reader. I let her read Harry Potter last year, and she read them all and loved them. She then saw the first film on Christmas Eve, and was thrilled, and read them all again. Since she finished the re-read (early January), she has basically just been reading them over and over. She reads the bits she likes most, jumps around, but I'm really struggling to get her into anything else. We tried one series - Tamora Pierce (at the recommendation of her piano teacher), but I'm actually rather relieved to say she decided she didn't want to read all of the second one or third one (having given them to her, I did some research and realised they were probably not at all appropriate for a six year old). I want to help her find another series which she can get engrossed in, but it is really hard finding things that are interesting AND suitable.

My second question/issue is about her school, and whether she is being challenged enough, and if it matters if she isn't. On a reading front, things are fine. Her school use ORT up to level 15, and she is on level 14 (which in old SAT money is working towards/within Lv4). She reads much more complex texts outside school, but the school work on explicit explanation etc. so I'm sure that is all fine. It is more about Maths. The school use a Maths Mastery programme, which is about depth of understanding, and so their way of stretching her is to have her work with a child who is working on a slightly lower level, so that she has to explain how things work to the other child. I do see the logic in that, but she tells me that the Maths work is very easy. She isn't too bothered, but I wondered if I should ask them how they extend their more able children. At the same time, I'm worried that they will look at me like I'm some insane pushy mum. I don't really know what she can do because she doesn't really get Maths homework. We had Alfie online tests to do last year, and in Y1 she could quite happily do the y2 tests. Should I talk to them or should I just trust that they know what they are doing? Her teacher is a maths specialist and has previously commented that DD has a good memory/mental arithmetic ability. The short summary of my long question is - is it best to push the school a little, or to let her coast a little (given she is only in infants school)?

If you got this far - thank you for reading!!

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JerryFerry · 27/03/2016 00:04

Honestly I would take her to the library and let her choose, and also have a chat with the children's librarian as they willbe very au fait with keen young readers.
You may also like to google the independent's top 100 recommendations for children's reads.

With regard to maths, perhaps trial her on mathsbuddy or maths-whizz? These are inexpensive online tutoring programmes, far superior to mathletocs or those ones that the schools tend to use. My youngest loves maths-whizz and his maths age jumped 12 months within the first 30 days. He still enjoys maths at school...I think it just gives them a different way to experience and enjoy it. My older ones prefer mathsbuddy.

And fwiw my dd read Harry Potteer at 6 too (not 3.5 like most people on these boards) and is still enchanted with HP 5 yrs on. Other books too of course!

WhattodoSue · 29/03/2016 07:19

Thanks Jerry. I am in two minds about getting her to do Maths games at home. I kind of feel that she has enough homework for infants school. But I may ask her if she wants to have a go. It would be interesting for me to see how she does.

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Brokenbiscuit · 29/03/2016 15:02

My dd has a subscription through school to sumdog. They recently switched from mathletics. She was never interested in mathletics at all, and never used it, but she is constantly asking me if she can go on sumdog - it appears to be more fun! Not sure how much it actually stretches them though.

My dd first read the HP books when she was quite small, and has read them many times since. I think they're only disturbing if you truly comprehend them, which a 6yo probably doesn't. DD does find them more "difficult" to read now, and I think she gets much more out of them, but I have no regrets about letting her read them when she was younger.

I think many of the "classic" children's books are linguistically much more challenging than HP, so it might not be the pace that was putting her off but just the level of challenge. Try her again in a couple of years and she may love them - that's certainly what we found. In the meantime, things like the Narnia books always seem to go down well. DD also loved the Percy Jackson series, Lemony Snickett, Mr Gum, Roald Dahl stuff, David Walliams etc. Oh and Pseudonymous Bosch.

WhattodoSue · 04/04/2016 00:10

DD announced a few days ago, as she is on her way through the Crestomanci series for the second time, that they are her all time favourite books and they are better than Harry Potter. Very glad there are so many Diana Wynne Jones to work through. SmileFlowers

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antimatter · 04/04/2016 00:14

Lord of the rings trilogy.

Au79 · 04/04/2016 16:03

Indian in the cupboard series

I heard Hatchet is a good series.

ThirdThoughts · 08/04/2016 01:56

It's great that she loved the Chrestomanci books (though in my opinon, nothing is better than the Harry Potter books Wink ) DWJ's books are brilliant, though some are probably aimed a bit older and are a bit difficult to get my head around.

Other ideas
Charlie Bone series by Jenny Nimmo, it's less sophisticated than Potter, and aimed at a younger age group I think, but there's quite a few similarities too.
Keys to the Kingdom Series by Garth Nix (starts with Mister Monday).
Artemis Fowl series by Eoin Colfer
Don't overlook Roald Dahl :)
If she likes animals and can handle a bit of fighting try "Red Wall" by Brian Jacques, its also a long series.
How to Train Your Dragon

When I was young I devoured Enid Blyton mysteries and Animal Ark animal stories, loads of stuff by Colin Dann, Michael Morpurgo, etc. But I can see why she loves HP and why other things would seem slow/simple in comparison.

His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman is good, but I'd maybe try and leave it to a bit older as its more sophisticated than Potter, but it is my other lifetime favourite.

PollyCazaletWannabe · 08/04/2016 03:30

I second whoever said classics. I was an avid reader at a young age and I loved
Anne of green gables and the other Anne books
The secret garden
A little princess
The Narnia books
Elidor by Alan Garner

Little Women

nicolasixx · 02/06/2016 18:52

Most of these books are for older children, no matter how intelligent the child and how much they appear to be enjoying them. There is so much age- appropriate literature worth reading. Some of the Eva Ibbotson, Worst Witch, Roald Dahl, Ottoline and others are great. Coraline and Goth Girl and Lemony Snicket in due course. save Diana Wynne Jones for later. There's no rush.

catkind · 04/06/2016 17:13

This is an old thread nicolasixx, but whatever harm do you think is going to come to a child from reading something they're massively enjoying? I read various things "young" including DWJ and still re-read and enjoy them now. If anything I got more out of books young because they lasted longer when I had to go to bed at 8pm!

I'd avoid something x-rated or something I knew had a nasty shock at the end, but DWJ's childrens' books are nothing to get worked up about. (Maybe you've read some of her more adult ones??)

At the end of the day, all children are different. My 7 year old is a strong reader but young for age, we haven't even done much Roald Dahl yet because he finds it a bit scary. I think what they enjoy is the best thing to go on. For a kid who's read all of Harry Potter, Worst Witch could be a tasty 5 minute snack, but it probably won't even last the trip home from the library.

corythatwas · 05/06/2016 23:19

agree with catkind: it is all individual

my dc disliked Roald Dahl for a long time because there is quite an unpleasant tone to many of his books; got on much better with many of the books suggested above

WhattodoSue · 06/06/2016 09:19

For a kid who's read all of Harry Potter, Worst Witch could be a tasty 5 minute snack, but it probably won't even last the trip home from the library. - YES! And, evidently, she read them, after the secret unicorn books and before the Enid Blyton school books.

The point with these recommendations is that some children also like more complex structures, plots and language. I genuinely don't think it is a measure of intelligence, it is simply a reflection of individual difference, and a passion for books.

The recommendations on here have been fabulous. DD is just starting on The Dark is Rising series. We are doing this:

[http://www.mensaforkids.org/MFK2/assets/File/Achieve/Excellence_in_Reading_4-6.pdf]

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WhattodoSue · 06/06/2016 09:20

Sorry - on my phone and can't remember how to add webpage!

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bedelia · 06/06/2016 10:46

I realise this is an old thread, but am thoroughly enjoying these recommendations.

"The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland..." and it's sequels may be of interest to anyone else reading this thread. They're full of magic and wonder, peril is very "mild" and there are no adult themes (though adults may well enjoy reading these too!).

AlwaysTeaTime · 08/06/2016 22:21

I'm not sure if these have been mentioned, but has she tried the Warriors books by Erin Hunter? My DD devoured these at a similar age (and still continues to read the new ones when they come out)- they're fantasy, but not, following clans of wildcats in a forest or something, so very age appropriate. The best thing is that there are 6 sub-series plus additional books, so if she gets into them it should keep her busy for a while, and DD tells me 'they don't get boring because every series has a completely different story, just in the same world'

houseeveryweekend · 08/06/2016 22:30

Books! Diana wynne jones is always a good bet. The Mouse and His Child. Borrobil. The Bear Nobody Wanted.....shes maybe a little young but Philip Pullmans Dark Materials is the usual natural follow on from Harry Potter... there are some adult themes, such as its heavily implied that the protagonist sleep together at one point but the writing is such that you wouldnt get that unless you already knew if you see what i mean... its obvious to an adult but wouldnt be to a 6 year old, its just implied. At that age i also love E. Nesbit and Frances Hodgson Burnett... things like 5 Children and It and A Little Princess. x

houseeveryweekend · 08/06/2016 22:34

Oh also The Borrowers! and The Animals of Farthing Wood! They should keep her going theres plenty of them!! x

houseeveryweekend · 08/06/2016 22:35

sorry thrid post but i just remebered The Tree That Sat Down and also absolutely everything that Joan Aiken ever wrote. x

eyebrowse · 08/06/2016 22:40

I would go for Narnia at age 6 but not hobbit or LOTR
Swallows and Amazons - some of the series are better than others, Cat clans (lots of cat clan books to get through!)
I was terrified of Wizard of Earthsea at about age 10

Dragon Slayers' Academy dc found is much superior to how to train your dragon

CruCru · 09/06/2016 17:22

What about I, Coriander?

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