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Ds reading and spelling.School too easy, what can I do to help?

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thepiedpiper · 03/09/2011 09:39

My Ds has been reading since he started school. He loves reading and does lots of it, but I feel he is just left to choose books at school which he reads mostly at home and isn't being challenged at all.
Same with his spellings, he is working through a spelling book and can spell the words and knows what they mean instantly, surely he should be being challenged more than this?
I would like to help but what can I do? I don't want to charge into school accusing them of not doing their job properly.

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blackeyedsusan · 04/10/2011 13:15

this book is very good

blackeyedsusan · 04/10/2011 13:24

the maths book is aimed at juniors, but begins to be useful for y2 children/bright younger children. it shows the latest methods and is quite easy to understand. with maths you can extend sideways with problem solving activities and open questions. eg how many ways can you find to make 8? depending on ability they can do adds or take aways or multiplying or half of 16 etc. they also need to be able to tackle word problems, starting with the "there is one apple in the bowl and 3 in the fridge how many altogether" type questions to working out more difficult questions.

what is he doing in maths?

Energumene · 04/10/2011 18:18

Thanks for the link - have gone and ordered the book because it looks like just what I need to work out what's happening and provide the support he needs.

The problem with maths is that, like in phonics, they put them in sets throughout EYU and his maths set covered the vast majority of the KS1 objectives, as far as I can tell, purely because the kids were ready for it and the teacher saw no point in holding them back. Which was great, because he loves maths, but he's been complaining of being bored because he did everything they're doing now - 2D shapes to 4 sides, a couple of basic 3D shapes, and counting and subtracting in twos, for example - ages ago, and can't understand why his teacher won't get on and give him something that he finds interesting.

We've demonstrated where he's at to his form teacher, who says she's aware of his level being higher than their current level of teaching, and have been told they will be setting the kids for maths this week, but there are only 2 sets in Y1 when there were 4 sets in EYU because they split throughout nursery and YR, so it may be we have to push for him to go up to Y2 in maths as well, or ask for him to be allowed to get on and use Mathletics or something for part of the maths lesson if it allows him to maintain his interest.

As it happens, we've had an update on the phonics situation this afternoon. He's definitely going up to do phonics with Y2 in future, and it would seem they're also going to give him 30 minutes of one to one with the KS1 literacy coordinator each week to keep an eye on things and make sure he gets the support he needs in that area. I'm a bit more hopeful now that we can make things work, but it's been so bloody painful getting the school this far that I was worried for a bit that we'd be digging in for a longer battle.

blackeyedsusan · 04/10/2011 22:03

Energumene Envy you seem to be doing well with getting help from the school. I like the attitude of last years teacher. and getting help from the literacy coordinator is really good. what on earth is he reading to get that acknowledgment? his teacher should be able to differentiate for maths.

we are just finishing the odd statement in the level 2 maths attainment targets "tidying up missed bits" (wanted to check she has no major holes in her knowledge) and have started some level 3 maths (inadvertently as I like shapes work) i have also discovered other documents that will help me to fill in the mental maths she needs to do and reminded me that she needs to do investigations/open ended questions. we just keep things ticking over in term time, though she wanted to know how to write 1030 today so we talked about 0 as a place holder. not being able to write numbers past 999 seems a bit odd to me though, but on the other hand, homework was filling in a blank 100 square, which was useful, as she still writes numbers back to front. Confused I sort of assume "proper gifted" children are working way ahead of this.

I think she rather hides her light under a bushel at school. the reception teacher was not a bit interested at what she could do at home. probably heard it all before. (we all have) unfortunately, the odd parent who thinks their child is a genius when clearly average spoils it for the few who are capable, but not performing for various reasons. it would not be unfeasible for the odd child in y1 to fly under the radar until parents evening in october if they were quiet/lacking in confidence/bored with the group work and thinking of other things and presenting as not engaged. but info from parents would make you investigate further.

personally, I think dd does a very good space cadet, head on another planet/lack of concentration and the fact that the teacher hasn't throttled her is a bonus. i doubt she can concentrate for long enough to show in class the maths she can do when we work one to one (which drives me insane.)

when she was introducing the topic to the class, the teacher was impressed that she knew the 5 senses already and asked whether she is an inquisitive child at home. dd bounced up and down a bit and told her she had seen it on nina and the neurons. Blush

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:10

Nina and the neurones is great.

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:12

It seems you are very logical on your approach to teaching (making sure she covers the levels. Were/are you a teacher BES.

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:16

I think differentiation for maths can be difficult so I hope your teacher manages it energumene. If you have a group at a higher level surely they now that they all reached that so need to progress? I must admit I am at a loss at extending in phonics , genuinely why?

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:18

I do not understand why people would teach it pre being taught at school (I do not know phonics). Then surely when you get to school you do not want the child to miss a section as it could hinder spellings etc.

jenniec79 · 04/10/2011 22:22

Word games - children's scrabble, boggle, anagrams, those funny dialword thingies that go in the paper by the crossword?

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:25

Oh yes...The new boggle card game is great as an alternative homework!

iggly2 · 04/10/2011 22:55

BES it sounds like your teacher is trying to diffentiate for your Dd if she gave her a square upto 100 to fill in. The teacher maybe starting to realise that your Dd needs a bit more.

Energumene · 04/10/2011 23:16

Iggly, DS didn't do any phonics before going to school as I didn't want to get it wrong - it's not intuitive unless you've had someone explain it properly, well, not at my age! - and I didn't want to give him bad habits. So he didn't start phonics until the school's nursery class.

As for extending phonics... the problem is that he was getting thoroughly bored with the work because it was too far below his level and frequently repeating stuff he did more than a year ago in the nursery class. So he would be bringing home reading books he brought home in nursery, which really wasn't on because he knew there was more interesting stuff available, and his teacher simply asked for feedback on how he found the different books so she could work out his level.

The problem we've ended up with is that he's a bit of a sponge when it comes to books and he was simply hurtling through them at a rate of knots, working out the words quite happily, and having no trouble with the comprehension side of things, either. So he was finding the ORT stage 5 books too repetitive, stage 7 more interesting but still too easy and thus boring, so the teacher gave him a stage 10 which, despite him saying it's too easy, is what we're going to stick at for a couple of weeks until we see what doing phonics with Y2 does for him.

Yes, we could have kept him on easier books, but he finds his own entertainment if he gets bored, and we were starting to have behavioural issues in class, while at the same time he wasn't getting the full benefit of the ORT system because he wasn't having some concepts supported in class, because they weren't at anything approaching that level of reading yet for the majority. The reason for putting him in with Y2 is that they should be closer to the reading level and thus cover the areas he's not officially been taught, which should hopefully sort out the behavioural stuff as well.

WRT the school knowing the level he'd reached for maths/phonics... the school has a EYU with nursery and reception, that is Ofsted Grade 1, while the Y1-Y6 part of the school is Grade 2. I don't have a problem with that, but the school have been doing some odd things, like giving some of us a report at the end of YR saying our kids had achieved 'most' of the objectives for EYFS in phonics and maths, when we all knew our kids had been romping most of the way through the KS1 syllabus, so there was clearly something amiss. School gate speculation is that they do this to demonstrate improvement from Y1 on, making them out as achieving less in EYFS in order to make the KS1 achievement more remarkable. But I also know from the form teacher that they only sorted out a proper handover about levels in the middle of last week, so frankly quite late into the term. And now they're having to go from 4 ability levels in maths to 2, so those in the YR top set are still not getting taught at the level they reached last year Hmm

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Getting the half hour one to one? DS has just gone into Y1, is a late May baby and claims to be finding ORT stage 10 Jackdaws too easy, and his teacher and I believe him because he is genuinely taking it in as well as reading it aloud. Add this to us being in a fairly deprived London borough, he probably stands out more than he might in a different part of the country. I have no steer on whether he's exceptional, because he's an only child and so he's all I know. Call it gifted, bright or anything else, all I know is that I have a happy little boy who loves learning, and I want to keep it that way for as long as possible.

Apologies for the massive post. Wine and chocs for anyone who made it this far!

iggly2 · 05/10/2011 00:00

Sorry for offending you. I thought of phonics and reading as completely separate. At my son's nursery they did no phonics or teaching to read at his nursery consequently he had not learnt any phonics at all.

At his school they have guided reading and phonics as different lessons. So as you see he may read fluently but has learnt no phonics whatsoever till starting reception.

blackeyedsusan · 05/10/2011 07:45

bluegh, wine at this time?

Wink

mmm chocolate

if he has already done the phonics it sounds a good idea to go up to year 2 for this.

Energumene · 05/10/2011 08:40

SmileIt's OK, I wasn't offended - I just took your question as a question and gave it an answer, albeit a long-winded one!

Right. School run. Coffee. Work. Urgh.

blackeyedsusan · 05/10/2011 14:39

iggly, yes this new teacher seems to be differentiating a bit with homework. it is too early for her to be doing more than that yet. i am looking forward to seeing her books in a couple of weeks time, to see what she is doing in class. i should imagine that there are 1 or 2 children at a similar level to dd (either higher or a little lower) as it is a coe school so you have to be proactive to get children in/local children come from an affluent area.

it would be nice for her reading to be recognised, but on the other hand, a really easy short book from school means we can do our own thing a bit more. it seems to be a whole school policy that children read everybook. the head sort of fudged the issue when asked. not looking forward to the year 2 homework as it seems a bit more prescriptive.

seeker · 05/10/2011 14:44

If you have a "gifted" reader in year 3' I presume that she is just a reader. That is, a person who can read. Get her a library card and let her choose books. Once you can read, that's it for the learning- then you can get on with reading books!

Ditto for spelling. My ds isn't g&t- but he can spell. He doesn't need challenging because he can do it.

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