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Cancer Support Thread 83 - Here comes the sun (hopefully)

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Silkierabbit · 07/06/2022 20:42

Welcome to a supportive thread for anyone with cancer to discuss how things are going, ask for advice etc or discuss life in general.

Please feel free to join if you are going through tests as well, hopefully they will come back all clear but if not we are here to hold your hand through the journey.

Named the thread in honour of the lovely LeslieKnope who did thread 62 in the same title who is sadly no longer with us but inspired me with how she was so lovely and kind with stage 4 cancer in her 20s and also the lovely PurpleUnicorns. Thinking of you both. Hopefully there will be some sun inbetween the difficult days.

May be useful to do introductions at start of thread. I am 49, lobular breast cancer, diagnosed Nov 21, after sent for tests then after being dismissed as nothing by GP in June. 46mm and 17mm tumours with 1 lymph node involved. Had 2 surgeries, currently doing chemotherapy, radio next then hormone tablets. 1 husband and 2 kids 16 doing gcses and 15 with SN and mute. 1 Maine Coone kitten, 3 silkie chickens and 1 indoor rabbit.

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JellyBellyNelly · 17/06/2022 13:35

Can I ask you how to keep myself from falling down a dark hole pre diagnosis

Im sorry, but I’ve no idea at all. In fact I think that for some people it’s just not possible. It’s how it was for me. I had in actual fact been on anti anxiety medication for two years prior to the start of this but I’d been well enough to come off it even though my daughters had said to me mum, we think you would benefit from always being on a small dose as a maintenance drug, please consider it. But truth be told I was so pleased I’d come out the other side of the breakdown of my lifelong marriage, family problems, the death of a loved one, and my sons deterioration amongst many other things that I really did think I was ok. But little did I know that if you’ve been unwell once it really does leave you susceptible to being unwell again. Which is why on the day my huge cyst was found I went down like a ton of bricks and by evening my daughters had been in touch with my psychiatrist who put me on a small dose of what was an antipsychotic drug to initially help me sleep/calm me down/stop me thinking - not that it really did the latter.

Even my behavior was affected and once in hospital I’d even stick my fingers in my ears so I couldn’t hear what Drs were saying about me even after they’d moved far away from my bed as I’d banned them from talking in front of me. And I can even recall asking my nurse to cover the computer monitor next to my bed so I couldn’t see my notes - I would have needed bloody good eye sight for that to happen.

I can recall even asking random staff if I had cancer and the thing I’m most sorry about is the day I beckoned my daughters classmate over to my bed, she was one of my Drs, and said - do I have cancer. The words were no sooner out my mouth and her breath quickened and she said your results are not ready yet. But I knew they knew even though the poor girl had tried to blame her breathlessness on being a few weeks away from having her baby. I’d even said to her - you know I do, that’s why your breathing like that. There was also so much more 🙈

I also would only let certain people deal with me - older women in fact (apart from daughters classmate) and I did actually tell one Dr to get out of my room because she looked scary.

Anyway, my point is that there are those amongst us who for various reasons can’t manage the diagnosis or the journey leading up to it and it’s ok to be one of those people. Yes it’s great if we can keep our terror under control but our families (we) should know that not everyone can and that sometimes they (we) will have to step in and say this is serious and she (I) needs help.

Are you able to sleep or is there no relief even then?

mowly77 · 17/06/2022 23:57

@OriginalFloorboards The first part of your post made me well up, as I sat in the hospital, dying in the heat, waiting for my picc line to be flushed & dressing changed. (I got Nurse Big Plaster but she relented & went to fetch the medium plasters, which was a win). The kindness in your reply. Yes I feel the same. Look at all of us here so bruised and battered emotionally. Suffering; and then sometimes not. The cancer rollercoaster.

The waiting and the anxiety and the dark hole pre-appointment: I totally understand. Sometimes the anxiety gets me and drags me down into the darkness & terror & sometimes I can feel ok & I just don't understand how, or how to control it. It feels out of my control. Horses and riding and talking to your daughter and doing normal activities: that sounds so lovely and helpful. Animals are so instinctive and calming I find. Normal activities: Today I went to the beach with daughter & sister & friend & her daughter before the hospital. Then we watched the Disney 1950s Robin Hood & I made dinner & put my baby girl to bed & read her Stick Man. Then I went for a walk on the beach at sunset with my sister & we had a cocktail and marvelled at the gangs of teens taking nos & drinking cheap vodka. It was a scene and a half, and we had a lovely normal day with a bit of hospital thrown in. Everyday is different. Today was good. The past few days have been a black hole of terror. No control, but doing things if you can in my experience helps. So much good advice from posters on this thread about this that I really took on board. No chemo this week so I feel better than I usually would on a Friday, my chemo day.

Have you called Macmillan? They have a free helpline even on weekends; 8am - 8pm; and when I was in the waiting phase like you are I called them in bits on a Saturday or Sunday I think and they were great. I just cried and panicked; they have trained nurses and they talked to me and calmed me down and told me all the help that was available. Don't think you can't call them because you're waiting -- you absolutely can.

(Although I knew it was cancer as told immediately after outpatient procedure to drain fluid off my lungs & a CT scan. I was on my own, it was totally unexpected. All I said was "But I have a 3 year old daughter" & then I sat there in shock staring at the floor until my partner with daughter in tow came to collect me. Worst moment of my life was seeing her come in. I had been dreadfully ill for about a month -- cancer was missed by breast clinic four months previously. I thought I had pneumonia; my partner eventually insisted I go to local emergency walk-in centre - I was wrongly diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism & put in the back of an ambulance & taken to A&E & treated for that before they realised I had litres of fluid in my lungs.

I also second medication. I throw everything at it & hope something sticks. I haven't tried beta blockers but I think I will. I'm back on my meds, I took sertraline at a low dose after PND & a hell on earth surgical menopause. I might up the dose but I'm not super keen on adding more meds to my mix.

Personally, I prefer as and when the darkness strikes, or might strike. A drink. THC. Diazepam. Just not too often as won't work otherwise and don't particularly want a benzo addiction. Sleeping meds if you can't sleep so at least you can find some relief in sleep. Although my nightmares are out of control. If you have a sympathetic GP that's half the battle. Mine is wonderful and will always call if I need anything - referrals or meds.

If you are diagnosed and I very very much hope you're not, that goes without saying - as @Fantasea says they will have a plan for you. I didn't realise, but they call it a cancer pathway. Once you are on a cancer pathway everything is easier. I can call the GP for example & say I'm a cancer patient & need a telephone appointment & she will always call me back.

In the appointment I also second taking notes. or even recording it on your phone, although I can never really bear to listen back. And yes as you think of things over the next few days before the appointment write it down in same place & make sure all questions are answered.

@Fantasea is also absolutely bang on about assertiveness. You have to be your own advocate. If diagnosed, you will be able to contact your consultant's secretary via phone and email - do so and be very assertive yet polite. & you should have a specialist nurse assigned to you & a number you can reach them on. I had so many delays and was fucked around so much I went mental on the phone with my BC nurse many times. Shouting & crying & demanding that she better not call again unless it was with a date for appointment with oncologist. She said a lot of useless fluff like "we are working behind the scenes to try to get you an appointment" & it was all weird corporate bollocks & sent me mad.

It was an incredibly stressful time & I so wish I had more helpful things to say to you other than - well this is my experience and advice. But there you go. I hope some of that might be helpful.

@JellyBellyNelly I am so sorry you had such an awful time.

Mademoidame · 18/06/2022 00:14

Hi all, hopefully I am just passing though. Been referred for mammogram and ultrasound for an axillary mass which I've had since last December.

Already had an ultrasound where nothing was spotted, but was told to keep an eye on it. It's still there, no bigger but no smaller. Gynae was a bit shocked I hadn't already been sent for a mammogram, as apparently there can be a lot of breast tissue lurking towards the armpits. Pretty sure mine goes half way round my back too!

So I'm waiting. It's on 28 June... Time is going so slowly! This thread is so useful, thank you. Thinking of you all now I've read your stories.

OriginalFloorboards · 18/06/2022 05:31

Thank you to everyone who has replied to me.

You have helped more than you could possibly know. Truly. The sharing of your stories and your understanding has made me feel like I’m not alone. You all think you can’t help with the worry of the wait, yet you all have by just acknowledging it.

I did write a long message twice but lost it, so I’ve decided not to try and tag and hope this isn’t lost.

I will take pen and paper. I will let you know how I get on. I feel like I have a thousand virtual hand holds right now and I offer mine back to those of you that need one, that might be in a dark place
or that are just feeling alone as you read this. I know there will be many of you reading this thread who don’t write on here and need a hug. Well, it’s here for you.

I hope you all have a good day today. Thinking of you. P.S those night Kalms don’t work!

MrsPnut · 18/06/2022 08:40

@Mademoidame I hope you're just passing through as well but whilst you are waiting, feel free to pull up a chair and we'll hold your hand.

@OriginalFloorboards As I have said before, no-one knows the feelings that waiting brings better than us. I was diagnosed at my first appointment but I still had the awful wait for scans and biopsy results, once the second cancer was found then there was the dread that there was massive secondary cancer spread and it was my GP who looked up my biopsy results and could tell me they were unrelated.

mowly77 · 18/06/2022 10:21

@Mademoidame couldn't have said it better than Pnut. We will be here if you need us.

@OriginalFloorboards Thinking of you today. Excuse the formatting on my last post - I did not mean to have that vital sentence crossed out!

TopOfTheCliff · 18/06/2022 10:41

Top checking in from lovely Scotland.
I was diagnosed with Grade 3 Her positive BC with a big lymph node during the first lockdown. I had the kitchen sink regime over 18 months and am now “just” on exemestane tablets and Zolendronic acid infusions. I had a complete pathological response to chemotherapy (yay!) but still had a complete axillary node clearance and radiotherapy which has let me with mild lymphoedema in my right arm.. I fell and dislocated my ankle during chemo and I have an arthritic hip that needs replacing and all my joints hurt from the drugs. I am 61 and retired from the NHS during my treatment.
After a year of physio and gym and fitness classes I decided to go and have an adventure and see if I was still me. I am sailing round Britain in my 10m boat that I bought during chemotherapy to cheer myself up. DH is cycling along the coast taking photos and meeting me every night. So far we have travelled 1650 miles (me) and 4000 miles ( him) and are currently in the Solway Firth heading South. We have visited the Orkneys and Shetland and the Hebrides and I have sailed round Cape Wrath. It has been a fabulous adventure and we have raised £3750 so far for a green cancer charity.
I am still me, but a different version. Slower, older and grateful for being able to enjoy myself. Incidentally after chemotherapy nothing is as terrifying or as unpleasant. Even getting the tides wrong at the Mull of Kintyre was easy in comparison. There are similarities in that you can’t imagine reaching the end of the treatment/journey but you just start out a day at a time and try to stay calm and before you know it you are nearly through.
I have no pets although there is a toy ships cat and a stowaway puffin on board. My DC are grown and I am on a deadline to get back for DD2s wedding!
Love to all going through it. Don’t do it for the sandwiches though, they are crap!
Top x

MrsWooster · 18/06/2022 11:44

Watching your trip on FB, Top and it’s a great joy.

HelpIcantfindaname · 18/06/2022 11:47

Diagnosis of bowel cancer was on 6th June.
Had another MRI last Wed to look closer at lesions on liver.
If they are bad I need an op to insert a stent, then chemo, then surgery to remove the tumour. If the liver is ok its straight onto the surgery & then probably chemo as the lymph nodes near the tumour are enlarged.
The specialist nurse told me last Tuesday my results would be discussed at next Wednesdays meeting & I'd see the consultant at the end of next week.
But I got a letter yesterday giving me an appointment with the consultant for this Monday. The speed of that has worried me a bit.
Im writing a list of questions to ask. Can anybody advise what I should be asking please?

Silkierabbit · 19/06/2022 06:31

Mowly I wish you were my neighbour too as I am sure you would take very good care of Mr Floof. I thought we would be OK still as its before the school holidays but its private school holidays and I am only trying the cat hotels as Floof needs a lot of tlc. DH is going to see if someone from his work can look after Floof. He is indoors only so it needs to be someone careful and trouble is people who love pets normally already have some that go outdoors.

11th chemo tomorrow. Another nightmare day with school on Friday, DH had to spend half the day there as they lost DS for 3rd time in 6 days, sure there's an Oscar Wilde quote about that. Then they called police out again, which means chemo day we will get a call from SS asking if we want their help, no its not us losing him. Plus another week of gcses and a transport strike and DS isn't allowed to go on the GCSE geography trip due to he might run off. He never runs off with me. So I had another pimms and lemonade on Friday. GCSEs are going very well at least.

I did get out yesterday to a May Bumps Garden Party in Cambridge and with a blue straw hat and hair left from frozen peas I looked like someone with just short bob hair though uneven breasts. 😂I did look at a few other women thinking I used to look like you who had long hair though at least my hair now only takes a few minutes to wash and dry and have some left. Had some strawberries and prosecco and watch the boat races at a lovely riverside thatched cottage, was very nice. Only thing was Master came over and asked me had I seen any boat races and chemo brain struck and i thought to myself hmm have I seen any boat races long pause before saying yes I have. She then moved on whereas she normally chats to me for a bit, can't say I blame her, little brain activity could be detected but the downside of not looking like a chemo patient. Grin

Welcome back Top and glad the adventure is going well. You do need a ships cat. Could lend you one for a week but despite being a Maine Coon, who normally can swim and love water, he is scared of water. Having said that for a ships cat I don't know if a swimmer or a cat scared of water would be better.

Love to everyone.

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Silkierabbit · 19/06/2022 06:37

Welcome back help I usually take a pen and paper, useful to make notes. Mine normally only do the next stage of treatment plan each time and are only experts in that, different experts for chemo, radio and surgery at mine and normally they just know about their area. You can still ask but sometimes the answers aren't right. You can also phone at any time with questions. Timescale can be useful to know and recovery times from surgery.

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Silkierabbit · 19/06/2022 06:39

Welcome BloodyBridget and Made

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Runningwithoutstopping · 19/06/2022 12:30

Hello @Bloodybridget great to see you on here again although I was sorry to read your update and I hope you get some news soon. Are you still performing with the choir?Maybe I will get to see you soon.
I can't believe this is thread 83 I think I found this lifeline around thread 73 and although I'm not on here regularly I do check in and read people's updates and your all in my thoughts.
I'm 51 in 2020 I was diagnosed with stage 4 fallopian tube cancer(behaves the same as ovarian).I had a hysterectomy and 6 rounds of carboplatin and paclitaxel and then 18cycles of Avastin. My last bloods were stable and as far as I know I remain NAD.
My NHS pension paid out earlier this year so I'm quite happily retired and enjoying a more relaxed pace of life. I started running after cancer and last yr did a 10k and this weekend I'm doing race for life with my 9yr old.
I'm not part of the 'be positive' brigade because of it was all about positive thinking we would all just think cancer away. I'm realistic about my future and ever present in my mind is the thought of reoccurance . But I can be positive about the life I have now and do as much as I can until the time that I cant.
It took me a long time to get here and I think it's hard to see life after cancer when your going through the mental torment of treatment.
Although I won't be having any '@Top' style adventures I will be runningwithoutstopping (till I have too)

Thymeout · 19/06/2022 14:59

@HelpIcantfindaname

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from your appointment being earlier than expected. Covid is still around and, even if hospital admissions aren't on the rise, it's still playing havoc with waiting lists. So, more a reason to be pleased you're having less time to wait than to worry.

As Silkie said, this appointment will be more about listening. There are so many variables and hypothetical situations, especially with 3 depts potentially involved. Yes, jot things down and get your keyworker contact details so you can get in touch for the questions you'll have after you've processed whatever you've been told.

In my case, I had a CT as part of a monitoring check for something else, was told there was 'a thickening' in my transverse colon and referred for a colonoscopy. The registrar doing it told me he'd be v surprised if it wasn't cancer, and, having seen it myself on the screen, it looked so disgusting and alien that I didn't question it. But it helped that the CT hadn't shown any mets and nodes looked OK. Nodes can be enlarged just because they're doing their job, fighting infection as well as reacting to cancerous cells.

About the liver 'lesions'. I think there's almost always a grey area in diagnosis that can lead to further investigations. e.g. Lots of people have harmless cysts in their liver but some need an MRI to be sure one way or another. And sometimes it's still 'inconclusive' till they've been taken out and the path lab can have a proper look. This happened to me with my ovarian issue. I also had 'suspicious' cysts on my omentum which were never mentioned again once I'd had my TAH and everything removed went to the lab.

My key worker is a lovely young man who is a Macmillan nurse. He's been brilliant about checking if I need financial help or am struggling to cope in any way, chasing up appointments and so on.

Fingers crossed for you tomorrow.

@TopOfTheCliff

Fan-tastic! Pleased to see pix of Balamory. Used to watch it with my dgd when I did childcare for my dd when she went back to work between babies. Must have been your age at the time. I loved it because there were adult jokes slipped in between the general madness.

Bloodybridget · 19/06/2022 21:04

Thanks so much for your messages @Fantasea and @Runningwithoutstopping - I have the haematology appointment on Wednesday, so maybe I'll know a bit more after that. Not feeling too panicky atm. I am still singing with my choir, in fact we had our centenary concert (two years late!) on Friday night, apart from being extremely hot, it was very successful.

I've been away for a couple of days and still haven't read all the thread, but am sending much sympathy and good wishes to everyone who's having a hard time, at whatever stage.

TwoBigNoisyBoys · 20/06/2022 13:30

Hi everyone, one week post op today. My armpit and boob feel more sore yesterday and today than they did just afterwards, is that normal, would you say? My boob is a splendid array of purple, red, yellow and khaki. On the second week of exercises so just gearing myself up to be brave and go and do them. Not a fan of the pully sensation…! 🤮

Love to you all as always xxx

JellyBellyNelly · 20/06/2022 14:48

Is there any word from Originalfloorboards?

AGreatUsername · 20/06/2022 17:01

@OriginalFloorboards im really hoping today was good news for you, you’ve been very much in my thoughts.

I am day 6 post debulking today and feeling much better, actually went downstairs today for the day and sat in the garden etc. I feel light. Like I’m cured. I have to keep reminding myself that may well not be the case as it’ll devastate me even more if I need chemo etc.

HelpIcantfindaname · 20/06/2022 19:32

Thank you everyone for your messages yesterday.
Hope everyone is as OK as can be today.

The cancer has spread to my liver, there are about 12 to 15 lesions but they are small. I need chemo, before surgery to remove the tumour. But first of all I need a stent inserted to stop my bowel blocking completely.

So, I'm waiting for an appointment with the oncologist, & an appointment for the stent surgery.

My DP was more upset than me, I was kind of expecting that news - he's the optimist though. He couldn't face going back to work so we went to my favourite beach with the dog, had lunch & a lovely walk before picking our teenagers up from school.

I realised I forgot to ask what tests need to be done before chemo. We were told the oncologist will want to run some tests to see which chemo I'm best suited to. Would that just be blood tests?

Much love to all of you.

Podgedodge · 20/06/2022 19:51

Was a complete sap today at my pre radiotherapy scan and marker appointment today. The stupid tears just kept leaking out and I couldn’t move my arms to wipe them away. The lovely rodiotherapists kept checking I was ok, but I was, I just couldn’t stop crying! Felt so stupid, but the stupider I felt the more self pity I felt so the more the tears came! Still sniffing now…
I have no resilience left.

JellyBellyNelly · 20/06/2022 19:54

@HelpIcantfindaname I’m so sorry you didn’t receive better news and I wish things were different for you.

The other ladies are better placed to answer your questions regarding blood tests etc but I just wanted to acknowledge your news and to say you’re in my thoughts.

much love to you also.

JellyBellyNelly · 20/06/2022 20:18

Podgedodge · 20/06/2022 19:51

Was a complete sap today at my pre radiotherapy scan and marker appointment today. The stupid tears just kept leaking out and I couldn’t move my arms to wipe them away. The lovely rodiotherapists kept checking I was ok, but I was, I just couldn’t stop crying! Felt so stupid, but the stupider I felt the more self pity I felt so the more the tears came! Still sniffing now…
I have no resilience left.

Im sorry. Really. It’s just one pile of steaming manure and I’m thinking of you. xxx

TwoBigNoisyBoys · 20/06/2022 20:32

@Podgedodge you poor thing, I understand 100%, been there…completely get the ‘no resilience left’ thing. When I was having my picc line fitted the tears just wouldn’t stop coming and my wonderful nurse kept stopping to wipe them away. Was the same last week as they put me under general anaesthetic. Same when the district nurses used to flush and clean my picc line every week. Its so bloody hard isn’t it. I seem to permanent be 5 seconds away from crying all the time. Sending you all my love xxx

MrsPnut · 20/06/2022 21:09

@HelpIcantfindaname The tests may be to determine the type of cancer, you sometimes need an echocardiogram to check your heart before having chemo as many can damage your heart. Did you get the contact details of the specialist nurse? If so then contact them, if not then see if there is a Macmillan or Maggie’s team at your hospital because they will be able to put you in touch so you can ask those questions.

@Podgedodge I hear you, I think I have cried to everyone of my consultants. I can be calm and assertive and then the tears just appear out of nowhere. Sometimes frustration and sometimes just sheer despair at the shitty hand I’ve been dealt.

MrsPnut · 20/06/2022 21:11

@Bloodybridget I forgot to say before how lovely it is to see you here and I’m sorry it isn’t for happier reasons.
@TopOfTheCliff I too am following your adventures, so exhausting just watching from here but what an achievement.

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