Vaccination uptake rates

[Gobbledigook]

For those interested, here is site where you can find out the vaccination uptake rate for your area.

MMR uptake for London is frightening.

PS - Not intending to start an argument about it btw, just linking it in for interest.

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[aloha]

The mumps vaccine importation block is nothing to do with safety - otherwise none of it would be allowed in! It's entirely safe but the rationing is political.
Jimjams, I was reading something last night about a connection with glutamate and inflammation. It's in a book by a doctor who specialises in skincare, Dr Perricone, so it's all about ageing and inflammation. I thought of you.

[Jimjams]

Gobbledegook the single jabs aren't licensed as the manufacturers haven't applied to renew licences (or at least that's what a dept of health official told me years ago- can't remember the details- but have the letter somewhere- it was beurocracy rather than safety though). The actual vaccines used are exactly the same strains as are used in the combined jab.

Sounds interesting Aloha- inflammation and autism go together anyway.

[Jimjams]

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[Gobbledigook]

Jimjams - forgive my ignorance then, but if the strains in the single jabs are the same as in the MMR, why would a child suffer a reaction from the combined and not the single (since it's hypothesised that the effect is from the measles virus itself - is that not the same in both?)

[Jimjams]

Not known- one past suggestion was that the mumps vaccine altered the permeability of the blood brain barrier - allowing measles to end up where it shouldn't be. Not sure if anyone is looking at that now or not (would be interesting though as many autistics have membranes that are leaky). It was also thought for a while that catching (wild type) chickenpox in close proximity to MMR increased the risk of a reaction. It does seem to increase the risk but not significantly. I think that catching wild type mumps and chickenpox may significantly increase the risk of becoming autistic though- not sure whether those figures are still deemed reliable.

Anthrax is now accepted as being a problem in the development of gulf war syndrome- and the problems arise when it is given in combination with other vaccines- not sure they know why- but the MOD advised that where possible for GW2 vaccinations should be given singly. The gulf war stuff is interesting as there are biochemical similarities between gulf war vets with the syndrome and autistics (have a look on the autism research unit homepage for a few links).

Lots more work is needed before its understood. Bad reactions have been recorded following single measles jab (my aunt cares for someone brain damaged following the measles jab) just in seemingly lower numbers. Not sure autistic enterocolitis has been recorded in anyone receiving just measles though.

[Jimjams]

Walsh in the states is worth looking at as well. He has found that metallothionein proteins don't function well in 99% of autistics. Particularly interesting as they are involved in heavy metal tranpsort - however he also points out that they are involved in the immune response to viruses so could play a role in MMR problems (more than additive effect of 3 at once?) but that's a long way from being anything but a suggestion.

Of course could be that measles is as much of a problem by itself anyway. The rise in autism cases matches intro of MMR but almost certainly isn't due to it - except in a small number of cases. When they introduced MMR they altered the timing of the thimerosil containing jabs anyway.

One thing that has always struck me (but never seen it anywhere else so this is just me thinking out loud) is that they give MMR at a young age- traditionally (for want of a better word) most measles cases occurred after the age of 2 and before the age of 8. Catching measles earlier (especially in infancy- and now they give MMR at 13 months!) is known to be a risk factor in developing the hideous brain disease SSPE. It is now accepted that in rare cases MMR can cause SSPE (initially this was denied). Maybe we're introducing the measles virus into everyone too young and so risking brain damage. Who knows?

[Jimjams]

This is kind of interesting when you look at the effect of having anthrax and pertussis vaccination- although clearly the original data needs to be seen. Aloha knows more about this than me though.

[Twiglett]

You seem to have 'bowed out' of this vaccination thread very gracefully there JimJams

[Jimjams]

Yeah I was thinking of that Twiglett . Did say I'd answer factual stuff though (that's my defence). Can't do the justification side of it at the moment though!!

BTW for anyone on the MMR thread from the weekend- no reply from Brian Deer yet.