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All the fives... Tamoxigang cancer support thread 55

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WhatWouldLeslieKnopeDo · 12/03/2016 14:01

Welcome newbies and oldies to our 55th thread!

Our previous thread is here.

If you have any sort of cancer please feel free to join us. We are always happy to offer a hand to hold if you're waiting for test results too.

There are no stupid questions here, and there will usually be someone who can answer, or point you in the right direction.

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pepperrabbit · 02/05/2016 15:19

Oh yes - and best wishes for your results tomorrow rust Smile

royalmama · 03/05/2016 04:23

Hello all, fresta that is great news!
Pepper, sorry your blood tests were not good. I am sure they will work on getting them sorted.
Rust, hope all is well.
Have you heard the latest on breadt cancer research?
This: www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/02/study-points-personalised-treatment-breast-cancer
It may be early days but it is very promising. I couldn't help feeling sad though learning about this. You just get to wondering when it will be all over.
Tamoxifen so far has not been too bad. I do get up still during the night, am very stiff in the joints and get fatigued a whole lot, but for now that is about it.
I keep thinking ahead now. About my first check up in three months' time.
Take care all.

rustcohle · 03/05/2016 18:13

Hi all. Hope everyone is ok. Well I've just been for my results- it is triple Neg and the found 2 tumours both around 5 cm so the 2nd lump I felt was malignant. I'm glad I pushed on that point and went for the mastectomy. There were very clear margins and it wasn't in the skin or close to the chest wall which I suppose is a good thing?! It was in 4 out of 9 nodes and hadn't spread further than the lower axilliary nodes. I realise this is still pretty terrible but at least it wasn't in all of them I suppose! Now waiting for an appointment with the oncologist and will have bone and ct scans after baby is born. Dreading those the most to be honest. The fear that it has spread is crippling.

Mysillydog · 03/05/2016 19:28

Rust you will feel much better when you start chemo, because although chemo is not always pleasant, it is manageable. You will be having active treatment and feel like you are doing something. The waiting around after surgery until you are healed is hard. The good news is that the doctors got the tumours out with clear margins.

I know for me I will feel worse once active treatment is finished.

Boobz · 03/05/2016 22:28

Hi everyone!

I have had a quick skim over the thread - sorry I haven't been around - I think I needed to take a break from cancer threads/FB forums and so on, to get back to normal. But everyone gave so to much to me when I wandered on here, completely lost, in March last year, that I really should give back a little, if I can!

Royal, I ran my marathon a couple of weeks ago, and it was pretty epic! I did it in 3:50 which I was really pleased with, as I had no idea if I could go sub-4. I was in the top 10% of female finishers, so although not professional level, still one of the fastest so was really pleased, given everything we went through last year.

I then did an event called Toughest (a bit like Tough Mudder) on the 23rd (less than 2 weeks after the marathon - ouch) which was ace - really good fun and lot less tiring than the marathon, but much tougher on the upper body, hanging off stuff. I thought there would be twinges having had the double MX and implant recon only in November, but everything worked and I managed to do all the obstacles (sometimes with some help from DH!)

I am now doing an exercise program called Goliaz, which is pretty hard core and bit like Cross Fit. It's a 4 month regime so am hoping to be hard as nails by the end of it, but annoyingly have to take 10 days off now as I had my lipo-sculpting done today, to even out the lumps and bumps on my implants. TBH my left boob is pretty great, but the right one definitely has a bit of a crinkly effect to it where the skin is thinner (the surgeon must have really scooped out all the breast tissue from that one!) so I hope this op has helped even things out and made them a bit more fatty (but not bigger, IYKWIM!) My legs are sore today (the donor sites being my thighs, ass and inner knees!) and it was weird to be back in the hospital as I have pretty much left cancer behind now, so a strange reminder back to those days last year. I had my 6 month PET/CT scan done too and the results came back clear - still NED, which is a relief given I was triple negative.

Rust - I can let you know what I know about being triple negative, if you want, but it depends on what you want to know. There is good bits and bad about being TN so let me know how much you want to know! There is also a TNBC Facebook group which might be useful for you to join.

Hope everyone is doing well. I will go back and read the full thread but probably tomorrow, as I have to fly back to Rome tomorrow and should probably get to bed. We are moving home in August to London, which I am super excited about - will mean all my scans from then on won't be so bloody far to get to!

rustcohle · 03/05/2016 22:44

Thanks mysilly and boobz. Mysilly I think you're right, as much as I am dreading the chemo at least I will feel like I'm doing something. Boobz it sounds like you're doing amazingly. I want to get going on the exercising after baby is here. I've heard it lowers risk of recurrence especially for trip neg? Any positives would be great. I've scared myself silly with all the negatives. You sound surprised to be ned at your 6 month check. Hoping this isn't such a rare thing?! Do you mind me asking what grade/stage you were? Any nodes etc? I am also thinking of a mastectomy on the other boob when treatment is over.

royalmama · 04/05/2016 06:10

Good morning all.
Boobz it is very good to hear from you and great news about your latest check up. Oh and absolutely well done on your sporting achievements Star you really do inspire me to do more myself.
Rust seems your team are doing their job well and so your treatment plan will be much more likely to work. Trust me, chemo is very doable and my advice would be take each day as it comes: there will be good days and bad ones. As long as you have sone help and support with the little ones, you will feel able to cope.
I have been doing much reading( only the trustworthy, prominent science websites) and even as I am coming soon to completing my first year and having ben through it all, the information is still so overwhelming.
Have a good day all

mumto2andnomore · 04/05/2016 07:05

That is impressive boobz ! I'm the other end of the spectrum, if you ever see me running run too as something must be chasing me Grin

Boobz · 04/05/2016 08:38

Apologoes in advance for the essay!

Rust I was grade 3, stage 2. I was only stage 2 because I had 3 tumours, otherwise I would have been stage 1, as the size was so small (the biggest tumour was 1cm, the others about 3mm each). No node involvement.

I had chemo first (4 x EC and 12 x Tax with some carboplatin thrown in for good measure) and then a double MX and immediate implant recon (I wanted a TUG flap operation but my legs were too skinny, apparently). TBH I am happy I had the implants now - it's allowed me to get straight back into life, work, children etc., and they look amazing compared to the pre-op boobs (3 babies breast feeding in 3 years did not leave me nice ones!)

The positives are for us TN ladies are that because we can't have any hormonal treatment, we don't have the side effects which comes with taking Tamoxifen or similar for 10 years. Obviously I would prefer to have that option, to prevent it coming back, rather than not, but if you can't have it, at least think about not having a daily reminder about having had cancer, and all the side effects which comes from the drugs you have to take (some only have mild side effects but others suffer a bit more I think. Another positive is that TN usually reacts really well to chemo - it really soaks it up - so you can get away with less surgery in the end, if you want to try to conserve your breasts. I didn't want to, mainly for symmetry reasons (I would look really lop sided if I'd had even a lumpectomy, as my pre-surgery breasts were so small/saggy).

Also there is something called the TNBC paradox, where if you get a complete pathological response (after chemo), you actually have a better prognosis than other BC ladies with hormone receptors I have a proper scientific report written by a friend who did her PhD in TNBC which goes into more detail, but in a nutshell, TNBC can actually be less harmful than other BCs, depending on the type of TNBC you have, if you have the most 'aggressive' treatment). The thing is TNBC isn't actually a type in itself, it's describing what it's NOT (i.e. it's not got receptors for certain hormones) and it's actually a really heterogeneous disease with lots of different sub-sets and features (mine was "medullary") and thus it's really hard to say what each of our individual prognoses will be, as there is more that is different about us, than is the same (unlike other BCs). But if you can find out what your pathology is from your tumour, you can get an idea of what your prognosis might be and it could be better than other types of BC.

Because TNBC is classed as one of the more aggressive types to have, you generally have the most aggressive treatment paths, and thus they throw everything including the kitchen sink at you in terms of chemo (and possibly surgery) which again improves your chances of keeping it gone forever. I had 16 rounds of chemo including tax and carbo which TN reacts really well to.

I was surprised it had stayed away because I had read too many blogs which had women like me who had had TNBC and then died from a recurrence less than a year after getting their NED. It was very sad and I was very scared. But they weren't me, I didn't have their specific type of TNBC, and I was having a different treatment path, so I really shouldn't have been so surprised that we had different outcomes at our 6 months scans, but sometimes I am pessimist!

And because TNBC is one of the more aggressive and less well understood BCs (because it is so heterogenous) it has a lot of money being poured into research for it, so there is a lot of work being done to find answers for our particular nemesis, which is good too.

Do you have the gene do you know?

I have some personal bits of advice, which are probably more cancer related than TN related, and obviously everyone is different so what worked for me could be different for you, but I can REALLY recommend exercising as much as possible. I did HIIT all the way through chemo, and it kept my body and mind really strong for the treatment. I read a lot of research about doing high-intensity training as a way to combat fatigue and nausea and it really helped, I believe.

Cold capping was awful for me. Honestly, some women seemed to breeze through it, but because I had 12 weekly doses of chemo after the initial 4 (spaced out every 3 weeks seemed a lot more do-able) I had to endue the freeze brain every week for 3 months and it nearly sent me over the edge. BUT. I am soooo glad I did it. My kids never knew I was ill (we didn't really tell them - only that I had a poorly boob which needed medicine through my "plug" (very obvious portacath in my chest) and that I had to travel to the UK for this medicine); I was able to hide the bald patches with this miracle product called Toppik (see before and after photos) and at the end of treatment, although my hair was a state, I at least had a running start to get a decent pixie crop (see final pic, about 3 months after treatment had finished)... so I am glad I persevered even though I hated it!

I hope that's all helpful. I don't know what stage you are at in your journey (sounds like you are about to start chemo?) and so am not sure what advice is most helpful for you, but am happy to answer any and all questions. This really is the worst part - waiting for treatment to start, but once it does you get into a rhythm. I joined the Young Breast Cancer Network (for women under 45) on FB and it was a goldmine for advice on how to deal with the side effects of chemo, hair loss, make up etc. Oh that's my other advice - I don't know if you wear lots of make up, but I never wore anything, and so went to Bobbi Brown and had a 45 min make up tutorial, bought EVERYTHING he recommended (about 500 quid!) and then at least made myself look pretty on the days I felt like shit. And now I still know how to do make up! So what with that and my new pixie crop, and double D boobs, DH now says I have had a cancer make over and look great on it! Silver linings and all...

Let me know if you want that paper on TNBC - it's obviously scientific but you can get a lot out of it, if you like knowing the science behind everything...

Excuse typos!

All the fives... Tamoxigang cancer support thread 55
All the fives... Tamoxigang cancer support thread 55
All the fives... Tamoxigang cancer support thread 55
mrsrhodgilbert · 04/05/2016 11:49

Rust, I just want to wish you well really. I have ER+ BC so I know nothing about your type but very clear margins sounds positive and you had more clear nodes than not. Getting through this is difficult enough, I can't imagine how it must be with all the emotions of pregnancy too. Have you got a date for your baby to be born?

Boobz · 04/05/2016 19:01

Have spent about 2 hours reading the whole thread - gosh it's been busy!

I'm really sorry to hear the bad news Sleepy and Lily. How fucking shit. I'm really really sorry. I know you just get on with it, because you have to, but I am a bit in awe of you both. But how nice to be told you aren't allowed to leave Lily! That must have been lovely.

Hello to newbies. Sorry you are here.

Rust I've now read your story and see you are being induced in about 10 days - I can't imagine how you are feeling. It took me 5 weeks to get a proper diagnosis last year and I was a bit loopy from that, let alone you having to deal with all of this with being so very pregnant. I can totally understand you mourning the loss of your lovely maternity leave and time with your DD. It's all a bit crap, isn't it? But like all have said, it does get a bit more copeable with, once the blur of tears, planning funerals and OMG it's going to come back within 8 minutes of getting through it all passes. And it does pass, sort of, but it does take about 9 months I think, to go through the whole thing (physically and mentally).

But how exciting about the birth of your baby coming up - I LOVE child birth (I had all 3 at home - I would give birth every week if I could - well, maybe not that often) and it will give you such a happy time in the midst of such a worrying time. Hopefully an incredible distraction.

What has your ONC said in terms of treatment - what drugs are you having - do you know?

Waves to royal, fresta, mrs, Marshy, mysilly, Dinster, Amber and others - good to see you all again.

Fresta · 04/05/2016 19:53

HI Boobz, so glad you are doing well.

Rust, sending best wishes your way. I can't imagine how you must be feeling, breast cancer is hard enough to come to terms with without having it during pregnancy. I'm sure you will feel more in control once you start chemo and feel like you are actively attacking it. From what I have read TNB is supposed to respond better to chemo than other types so you will know it is doing it's stuff.

The cording in my arm is awful, very painful and my armpit looks like spaghetti junction, I swear there is a cord for every lymph node I had removed. My BCN said it should get better with time. Luckily the seroma seems to have subsided without the need for draining though, and it only swells a little if I use it too much.

Hope you have all been enjoying the sunshine today.

SleepyForest · 05/05/2016 08:45

I had a visit from the hospice nurse yesterday (I asked my GP to refer me), she was excellent. I have lots more pain medication and access to a consultant who specialises in pain management. I feel much more confident that I can use these tools to make myself more comfortable. She was very keen to say that I didn't have to be at deaths door to use the hospice services and if I get better she won't hold it against me!

Sorry not to namecheck everyone, I was very cheered to read your sympathetic posts. I'm a bit spacey on the drugs.

royalmama · 05/05/2016 12:33

Hi all. Fresta, chording is very uncomfortable for sure. Is there any way you can see someone who is exoerienced in sorting it out? I read about there being some form of massage to ease it.
Sleepy, sounds like your wish for more pain relief is a good one. Why suffer unnecssarily! I truly wish all the best for you. Flowers
Boobz, how is the fasting regimen going?
Can those of you on tamoxifen tell me what they have been advised or their experience regarding long haul flights( DVT ETC)?
Waving to everybody else.

mumto2andnomore · 05/05/2016 16:49

Sleepy I'm glad you've got some better pain relief :)

Royal I've been on long haul flights and been fine, I just tried to do some leg exercises and move around

Fresta I'm sorry about the cording I hope it improves soon

pepperrabbit · 06/05/2016 09:56

Morning all, hope everyone is enjoying the sunshine Smile
I have my second chemo today as the GCSF injection did the trick on my bloods.
A pity to know you're going to feel rubbish for the best weekend of the year! We have some builders coming at 7am to start our new patio so the neighbours will love us too...
rust - hope you are ok, and sleepy glad you have better pain meds now. Flowers
fresta, can they refer you for anything extra on the cording or do pain meds help?
boobz - thank you for that post! I'm not triple neg but I am cold capping and am very encouraged by your pictures - I do seem to be shedding hugely but am going to persist. I felt a bit self conscious last time as I was the only one there cold capping and several people were sort of "oh I tried that, don't be too hopeful" Hmm. This is not the time to bow to peer pressure! Actually even if I lose it, I think I'm coping better with a slow process that I feel I have some choices or control over.
I had my Look Good Feel Better workshop on Tuesday and enjoyed it hugely. Loads of freebies and yesterday, when I looked frankly rough, I put a bit of the mascara and lippy on and felt better and made the short trip to vote. However it was at the other hospital, where I will have my rads, and it took a whopping 50 minutes to get home afterwards at only 4pm so the trip will be quite a drag every day. Not sure if having rads to the axilla as well as the breast means I need a longer course but will worry about that nearer the time. Actually with the surgery scar, should I be doing anything to it? Like bio oil or anything to heal the skin over and above mother nature to prepare for the rads at all?
Waves to everyone else.

Lilymaid · 06/05/2016 12:45

Platelet level too low for chemo today Sad so am having blood transfusion today and will go back for chemo when platelets recover. Hopefully I shall get some effective anti-nausea meds today as I haven't been able to eat much and need to consume more protein. Quite sunny here in Cambs but not as nice as it was in Seville earlier this week!

TuppennyBit · 07/05/2016 02:49

Hello Tamoxigangers.

I'm a lurker who drew great support and comfort reading posts last year during treatment (WLE, chemo, rads) after BC diagnosis Dec 2014. I'm stepping out of shadows now because hit by news of local recurrence and v interested in Boobz & Rustcohle's posts as am also triple negative. Your comments have already given me more questions to ask my team before confirming new treatment plan so thank you! Your friend's research sounds great Boobz, have struggled with lack of info on TNBC and with hindsight feel I didn't push hard enough for that with first treatment plan.

Big waves to everyone else!

amberlight · 07/05/2016 14:20

Hi TuppennyBit, welcome from me.
Triple Negative - they're getting very much better at treating it now.

Teams will usually do a full set of tests on it to work out what sort of weakness it has, and target that with some of the newer trials. About 90 very interesting new ideas for teams since your first experience in Dec 14. Hoping the team has some useful ideas for you already.

Fresta · 07/05/2016 14:44

Hi, just a quickie, can anyone tell me how long the general time lapse between surgery and the start of radiotherapy is for most people? I had my surgery on 14th April and have a planning appointment just come through for my radiotherapy for the 17th Jume. I don't know how long it takes from the planning session to the start of radiotherapy, but even it starts the following week it will be around 9 weeks or more from surgery. This feels too long to me!

Waving to everyone, will catch up on thread later Smile

mrsrhodgilbert · 07/05/2016 15:46

Hi fresta, I had surgery on 21May 2014 and had rads over the first three weeks of July. However, they pushed it through for me because we were going on holiday on 1August. I think I have the planning meeting about two weeks earlier. That was in Leeds, massive cancer centre and the dept was never busy.

Hi tuppenny, sorry I can't help with your questions but hang around and boobz may be back. Alternatively, you could try sending her a pm as she doesn't post that often any more.

amberlight · 07/05/2016 16:56

Today, I've had the letter with my results in it. The oncology nurse rang during the week to tell me that it was a 'pleomorphic fibroma'. Tumour caused by radiation. But the sarcoma unit say it's benign. Huge relief. And thank you to those who asked after me during these last months of tests and the operation and wait. xx

mrsrhodgilbert · 07/05/2016 17:15

Amber that's great news, you seem to have been waiting ages. What a relief.

royalmama · 07/05/2016 17:36

Great news Amber

rovercat · 07/05/2016 17:46

Hi Fresta I have my surgery on 13.4.2016 and have my planning meeting this Monday and rads start on 16th May. I was told that normally they like it to start 4-6 weeks after surgery but it does depend on how well you've healed.