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What made you fall into a black hole when finding out about your ancestors ?

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WinterBerry40 · 23/11/2025 13:21

Mine was on my mother's side in the mid 1800s a family with unusual names led to me deep diving into finding out as much as I can about them .

Names :
Thomas , Joshua ( my gg x times gf ) Ambrose , Emmanuel , Hercules ,Charity , Penella , Lendon , Joan .

I discovered they were travellers and had led lives ( and thanks to their names ) which were easily traceable with lots of info available .
They were quite well known in their area and even have things wrote about them in historical incidents .
My mum would have never known she came from traveller stock and I'm quite proud to have that in my family history .
Hello out there if these names are linked to your family also !

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SparklyGlitterballs · 07/01/2026 17:52

I found a lot of popular names on my searches - Henry, John, Joseph etc, but then came across an 'Esau' which was a bit different.

One male ancestor was a deserter from WWI action.

I was fascinated that in the 1800s, instead of signatures some relatives added their 'mark' to documents (a 'X') because they couldn't write.

Some of the cursive writing on certificates, even from the late 1800s and early 1900s is beautiful.

Wishmyhousewasbigger · 07/01/2026 18:04

A very distant ancestor signed Charles 1 death warrant! My great great grandfather live in Jamaican and had three slaves😟

TheGander · 07/01/2026 18:12

Wow @Wishmyhousewasbigger ! Have you read Act of Oblivion by Robert Harris? All about the people who signed the death warrant. Needless to say they were bricking it when the Royalty returned to power.

Wishmyhousewasbigger · 07/01/2026 18:21

Yes I have, however he died before the restoration!

HelenaWilson · 07/01/2026 18:24

I was fascinated that in the 1800s, instead of signatures some relatives added their 'mark' to documents (a 'X') because they couldn't write.

I've seen some people signing their wills with an X even though I know from other sources they could write. I thought they must just have been too infirm at that point.

And people may have gone to school and learned to write a bit, but if they never or rarely had to write afterwards, they would probably find it difficult. (Like young people supposedly do today because they do everything on a keyboard or screen and rarely use pen and paper.)

Autumngirl5 · 07/01/2026 18:38

Sorry to digress as this is not my family, but I was delving into the history of the small town where I live and found a report of a man who was having breakfast with his wife (aged 20). Without any warning he got up, went into the garden, returned with a shovel and then battered his young wife with it. She died 3 days later. This was a house where several families rented rooms. I was so shocked to see that the house is now my favourite shop where I browse through lovely clothes and bags! It still has all its period features too. It does make you think about the lives people used to live.

user1471453601 · 07/01/2026 18:50

I fell down the rabbit hole when I searched for where an unusual name that ran through my father's family came from.

googling the name brought up my grandfather and grandmothers marriage certificate, which showed a dash under the name of Grannys father. I knew that implied no father was known.

I did some digging and found out my great grandmother had a very colourful history.

I told my sister, but asked her not to mention it to her surviving children. They were all in their 70s and 80s. If they knew and hadn't mentioned it, it was their business. And if they didn't know, well it wasn't our place to tell them.

I was quite enthralled by Great Granny and her past, even her stint in jail. But I didn't want to distress any of my older relatives.

mumof3boysxox · 07/01/2026 18:58

My gran had a secret brother she never knew of, same mum and dad.. her dad also had a wife and 6 children while my gran and her brother were conceived. Her dad's first wife died and 6 months later he married my great gran... our secret family had been looking for my mum and I was 20 years, found us a few months ago and it was been truly amazing! Shocking but amazing! Xx

TheeNotoriousPIG · 07/01/2026 19:01

My grandparents are/were excellent for keeping things that were passed down in the family! This includes the shocker of a married woman running off with a Black musician (!!!) and moved abroad in the 1920's/30's. It was considered to be so shocking at the time that it hit the headlines. The clipping is still in their house.

Then there was the chap that disappeared off the face of the earth. He was rather aptly named, as his first name was Farewell.

A strongly suspected case of being born to an Irish unwed mother still hasn't been admitted to... and the child in question is now in their 100's, and still won't discuss it. We can't find any of the Irish records, which were said to have been destroyed in a fire.

The rest of us are fairly run of the mill in comparison, but with very impressive longevity, even before the arrival of penicillin! I have, however, been advised never to name a daughter Margaret, as they have a running theme of dying young on our family tree. In any case, I'm not quite sure that Margaret would even be on my radar!

I do, however, wonder what the people on our family tree were known as on a day-to-day basis. In my grandfather's family, it was perfectly normal to be registered as one name, and called something completely different!

Another2Cats · 07/01/2026 19:33

SparklyGlitterballs · 07/01/2026 17:52

I found a lot of popular names on my searches - Henry, John, Joseph etc, but then came across an 'Esau' which was a bit different.

One male ancestor was a deserter from WWI action.

I was fascinated that in the 1800s, instead of signatures some relatives added their 'mark' to documents (a 'X') because they couldn't write.

Some of the cursive writing on certificates, even from the late 1800s and early 1900s is beautiful.

"I was fascinated that in the 1800s, instead of signatures some relatives added their 'mark' to documents (a 'X') because they couldn't write."

It went on later than that as well, although typically this was more prevalent in groups that moved around a lot compared to most people.

When my dad's paternal grandparents (so my great grandparents) married in 1914 in Gloucester, both my great grandmother and her father (he was one of the witnesses) made their mark rather than signing. Although her mother did sign her own name.

My great grandmother at the time was a "box filler" in the local match factory. She literally filled boxes with matches for the "England's Glory" matches brand.

Her family came from a line of "watermen". They worked on the canals from Gloucester up to Birmingham. Her father is first shown on the 1871 census living on the barge "Anne", which was moored at Worcester, with his parents and an employee. His father was described as a "captain" at the age of 23, so it appears that he had his own barge by then.

By 1881, Henry was a "boat boy" at the age of eleven working for his father.

Henry married in 1890, at the age of 21, and by 1891 they were living in a house a couple of hundred metres away from Gloucester docks. Henry was described as a "waterman".

My great grandmother (the one who made her mark on the marriage certificate in 1914) had eight siblings. Of these, one other also made her mark on her marriage certificate but all the others signed.

Their father, Henry, was a witness at three of the weddings and he made his mark each time.

HelenaWilson · 07/01/2026 20:05

Theoretically Henry and his children should all have been to school, or at least been educated - elementary education in England was compulsory from 1870. But if they were always on the move as watermen they were probably never in one place long enough.

TheGander · 07/01/2026 21:27

Wishmyhousewasbigger · 07/01/2026 18:21

Yes I have, however he died before the restoration!

Lucky for him!

AInightingale · 07/01/2026 22:35

The Irish civil records are still intact and survived the fire @TheeNotoriousPIG. They list all births in Ireland until 1925 (1921 in NI). They are available on Irish Genealogy - Explore your Family History.

Irish Genealogy - Explore your Family History

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/

TheGander · 08/01/2026 07:53

Interesting, I thought they’d all been destroyed in the Easter Uprising.

AInightingale · 08/01/2026 08:03

No not the Easter Rising of 1916 @TheGander, a lot of census material and the whole Irish National Archive was destroyed in 1922 during the Irish Civil War when the building was shelled. Plus a couple of census returns were destroyed in error and some deliberately, for reasons that are hard to understand. But thankfully the civil birth/marriage/death records survive and are very helpful.

TheGander · 08/01/2026 10:10

That’s great info thank you, I have some ancestors who were born in Ireland ( probably Ulster Scots) but I thought that was a dead end so I will try and find out more.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 08/01/2026 20:49

AInightingale · 07/01/2026 22:35

The Irish civil records are still intact and survived the fire @TheeNotoriousPIG. They list all births in Ireland until 1925 (1921 in NI). They are available on Irish Genealogy - Explore your Family History.

Thank you! I will do more investigating when I have a few days off work next week.

ladygindiva · 08/01/2026 21:18

I found out my grandparents had the same grandparents, ie they were cousins 😱

HoppityBun · 08/01/2026 21:48

Another2Cats · 24/11/2025 17:21

I’m not sure if this counts as a “black hole”, but sometimes when I’m tracing family members, I happen to stumble across other records that pique my interest and I then get distracted and follow up those interesting snippets to see what happened. Even though they are totally unrelated to my own family tree.

A couple of examples. In one case I was tracing my 4x great grandmother born in 1818. She and her younger sister Mary Ann were in and out of prison together a couple of times when they were younger.

I come from a long and distinguished line of … ne’er do wells and petty thieves (on both sides of my family). Although, interestingly, it was always the women who were on the wrong side of the law. Men overwhelmingly commit much more crime than women. However, in my family, it turns out to be the other way round and it was always the women who were getting convicted.

Whether this means that the men in my family were a lot more law abiding or just better at not getting caught? I don’t know.

My family mostly lived in Gloucestershire (apart from those who left to go and become tobacco farmers in Maryland in the 1600s – and some later went on to become slave owners. But that’s a whole other story).

My ancestor eventually married and settled down, but her younger sister didn’t. She had a couple more convictions and then, in 1846 when she was 21, there was an incident of alleged murder that made quite a few newspapers in different parts of the country.

It turns out that Mary Ann and another young girl, also called Mary Ann, were two young women of, shall we say, negotiable affections.**

On the evening of 21st Jan 1846 they had agreed to spend the night with some Italian and Russian sailors on board their ship in Gloucester docks for the sum of 5 shillings (each, I think?). However, Mary Ann changed her mind at the last moment but the other Mary didn’t – and that was the last time she was seen alive.

The sailors were later arrested, and Mary Ann gave evidence, but there wasn’t enough evidence to convict them of murder.

All of that came from newspaper articles from the time. Newspaper articles can be really fascinating insights into life then. They highlight things that can be very difficult to trace otherwise.
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Anyway, that wasn’t actually the black hole. What did distract me from my, clearly upstanding and law abiding, family was an entry in the prison register in 1842 just above that of Mary Ann (she had been convicted of stealing three silver teaspoons). This led on to a very sad story indeed.

Most of the other entries on the page were the usual things like robbery, receiving stolen goods, assault, sheep stealing etc (the ringleader of the sheep stealing gang got sentenced to ten years).

But then I noticed a particular word in the list of offences; “Sodomy”. Sodomy? Really? And then I thought, yes, sodomy was a crime that was not repealed until 1967.

Then I saw that the person below was also charged with sodomy (actually with aiding & abetting sodomy).

I wondered, are these two connected? Then I noticed their ages. One was a man of 35 and the other was a boy of 16.

Then I noticed the sentence – “Death”. But at the end it said “transmuted to transportation for life”.

Being gay was a death sentence for men back then.

This prompted to me have a look at some more outcomes on the adjoining pages. In comparison, other offences, a murderer was transported for life and someone who aided him was transported for ten years. A death sentence for sodomy and ten years for helping to murder somebody.

The young boy was named Henry Jenkins and the older man was William Smith. I wondered what became of them.

Well, it turns out that, after being convicted on on 6th August 1842, Henry spent some time on two prison hulks. He was then transported on the Asiatic leaving on 25th May 1843 and arriving in Van Diemen’s Land (nowadays Tasmania) on 22 Sept 1843.

Unfortunately, things didn’t go well for Henry when he got to Australia; he drowned just over a year later at the age of 18. The last entry reads “Drowned at Impression Bay Probation Station whilst bathing on the 10th December 1844”.

The records describe him as being only 5’1” tall. A 16 year old boy 5ft 1 tall and a 35 year old man?? Hmm??

All in all, a very sad story.
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** I mentioned about Mary Ann in 1846 being a young woman of negotiable affection. When it came to the 1851 Census, what I found was a little unusual.

Mary Ann was one of four women lodgers, all young women between the ages of 18 and, allegedly, 22 (although Mary Ann was by then 25) each was described as a “laboring woman” – I’ve never seen that term used elsewhere, (has anyone else?), perhaps it was used in the same sense that “working girl” might be used today? There was also a widowed older woman who was the head of the household who was also described as a “laboring woman”. Given Mary’s past, I really do wonder if this was a brothel in reality?

Then I noticed the sentence – “Death”. But at the end it said “transmuted to transportation for life”.
Being gay was a death sentence for men back then.

Isn’t this what misled Naomi Wolf, though? She thought that where the word “death” was recorded it meant that men had been executed. But it was pointed out that the sentences were noted but not in fact carried out as they were then were either pardoned or transported.. The last death sentence had been carried out earlier than the period she was studying. According to the Google check I have just made the last executions for sodomy were in 1835..

rabbitsarelush · 08/01/2026 21:57

Loads of oddities in my family tree. I found out my third great grandfather at age 35 and a father of 5 got the daughter of his local pub pregnant and he ‘abducted’ her. A child was born of that relationship that my grandmother (who remembered her grandfather very well) would not have had a clue about I suspect.

Also, my nannas grandfather on her father’s side Herbert, he died aged 44, 6 months after his wife Selina had died aged 42. 4 DAYS before he died he married another woman 10 years older than him in order that his 5 children would have someone to look after them. I have never been able to work out where he met this woman or how she willingly agreed to take on a family of children, again, my nan remembered her well. The woman, born Jane Wiltshire was in the workhouse in Southampton as a child, she eventually made her way to Abercarn in south wales where somehow she must have met my great, great grandfather. A very convoluted tree and story to unravel as Jane’s niece then went on to marry Herbert’s son which made the tree a nightmare to work out!

There is also a connection to the Loveridge family of Romanies - Mazzelly ‘Ellen’ Loveridge, also known as as the umbrella lady as she famously made and sold umbrellas in the south.

lots of lovely history that I spend absolutely far too much time delving in to!

What made you fall into a black hole when finding out about your ancestors ?
ffsnewusername · 08/01/2026 23:07

I found an ancestor who was sentenced to death for being a witch. I live not far from where she was executed.

I have a slaver who had land in Barbados, and on the other side a slavery abolitionist.

Also have a lot of women who died just after childbirth from haemorrhaging, which happened to me after my second baby. Weird.

EverybodyLTB · 08/01/2026 23:38

I started digging back through the misery, lots of slums and workhouses and hard labour for my great-grandparents and their immediate ancestors. Then it started to become evident that only a few generations above them was full on aristocracy. Traced it all the way back to many royal ancestors. You can see how the money just sort of wilted with each generation going down. On my side it was always the youngest girl of about 8-12 kids that was my ancestor, so it got watered down within about 4 generations. If you go back up through the eldest boys they all stayed aristos and kept the estates and money. It was sad but fascinating seeing lots of the children grow into adults that migrated. A couple were sent to Australia for petty crimes like stealing food, hard labour too! They eventually made new lives there and seemed happy. Many moved to the US for work. Letters from others on the same voyage out, or the same community showed a gruelling struggle to make it work. Lives that were so hard I felt like I was honouring them by at least reading about them and trying to sympathise and feel their experiences. My grandmother was born to very low and hard circumstances but managed to pull herself upwards into a good job and a decent life for herself and her children/grandchildren. She would have been stunned beyond words at the lineage she came from. Queens and emperors, as well as sheep rustlers and workhouse occupants. I love sitting there threading it all together, I find it relaxing like doing a puzzle or sudoku.

beigeybeige · 08/01/2026 23:52

The deaths in the workhouse (child and adult) and then the many who went through children’s homes in different eras, I will never take having today’s NHS and social security for granted.

Also the ways that stability and security can come and go over a generation either with family tragedy or national and international tragedy like the two world wars.

And how individually surprisingly mobile people were, once there were trains and boats available for them to leave and go off and try to make their way in life. But then how final their separations from their family often were, once they’d made the trip overseas. I wonder what made people happy and if they were happy.

Protectmotherearth · 08/01/2026 23:59

Wishmyhousewasbigger · 07/01/2026 18:04

A very distant ancestor signed Charles 1 death warrant! My great great grandfather live in Jamaican and had three slaves😟

@Wishmyhousewasbigger A very distant relation of mine was by Charles 1 side until his execution!

Protectmotherearth · 09/01/2026 00:13

From royalty relations, tragic suicide, domestic abuse, untimely deaths, mad genuises, musicians, landed gentry, racist colonials, intrepid explorers, some Creole ancestry; to a millionaire rich, drunkard settler who gambled all his land and fortune away on a card game. A ww2 POW under the Italians, who escaped over the Alps with a group of POWs after 3 years in captivity, very young at the time relations who charged in the cavalry in WW1, an ancestor born at the foothills of one of the world's most renowned wonders of nature, published writers, poets and contributors.

Most of all, both my grandmothers and my four grandmothers were resolute women!!