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Can someone help me find someone if you have Ancestry or Findmypast access?

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HarrogateMum · 16/04/2020 15:07

I am doing some research into the history of the house I live in which is Edwardian built in 1910. The story goes that a father (James Waterhouse) built it and the identical house next door for his sons, Haley and Frank.

Whilst I can find both of them on the 1901 census in Harrogate, when it comes to the 1911 census Frank is not on there with the rest of his family and the column where it says "no of children born and still living" shows 4 and 4 when infact with Frank included there were 5 children.

I feel like he has done something dodgy and become the black sheep of the family but have let my subscription to Findmypast lapse. If anyone can have a look for me and see if there are any other census entries for a Frank Waterhouse in 1911 in Harrogate...or any deaths between 1901 and 1911, I would be really grateful!!

My 13 year old daughter is helping me out and she is desperate to know too!!

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HarrogateMum · 17/04/2020 11:43

Oh you are all fabuous..please let me know which sites you are finding the best info on as I'm very tempted to restart my subscriptions but there are so many!
Yes James Cartledge Waterhouse was a crucible manufacturer over in West Yorkshire. The house I live in is a smaller version of one three doors up which was where he lived. However the Broad Close that you mention is an even bigger house that Haley ended up living in that is at the other end of the street so they definitely had some money!
I did find last time I looked that Kate Waterhouse one of the sisters died in 1959, a spinster still and looking at the 1939 Register the other two sisters - Mary and Maria who were the musicians were living together so looks like they remained unmarried too!

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HarrogateMum · 17/04/2020 11:51

And I know that my house used to be called "Glaslyn", the one next door that's identical (except it has no cellar and mine does - odd) was called "High Mead" and the one that James Cartledge lived in was ...and still is called "Cartrefle"so some Welsh connection somewhere?

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TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:05

I'm using the British Newspaper Archive directly, but you can probably still get it through FindMyPast (which certainly used to be a hideous, clunky interface, but hey if it's free at the mo..)

I highly recommend searching for the addresses, as well as family names, as that often throws up surprising additional material or can help winnow grain from chaff.

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:14

Holly Bank again, so looks like sister of James C Waterhouse.

Huddersfield Chronicle, Friday 17 January 1890

LOCAL AND DISTRICT NEWS.
Marriage of Miss Kate Waterhouse, Edgerton. —
The marriage of Miss Kate Waterhouse, second daughter of the late Mr. E. J. W. Waterhouse, J.P., of Holly Bank, Edgerton, to Ely Wilkinson Crossley, L.R.C.P. Lond., M.R.C.S., Bryan-road, Greetland, eldest son of the late Mr. Wilkinson Crossley, Broad Carr House, Elland, was celebrated at St. Stephen's Church, Lindley, on Thursday afternoon, in the presence of a very large number of friends and inhabitants of the district. The ceremony took place at two o'clock, and was performed by the Rev. R. G. Irving, incumbent of Rastrick. uncle of both the bride and bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. J. W. Town, vicar of Lindley, and the Rev. J. Gledhill, vicar of Ripponden. The bride was attired in a handsome dress of ivory Duchesse satin with pearl front and long Court train. She also wore a Honition lace veil, fastened with a diamond star, the gift of the bridegroom. The bride was attended by three bridesmaids — Miss Blanche Waterhouse, Miss Ethel Crossley, and Miss Hilda Wheelwright — who wore dresses of white China silk, and sashes of chartreuse, and each wore a gold bracelet, the gift of the bridegroom. Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" was played on the organ as the bridal party left the church, and the bells rang out a merry peal. Mrs. Waterhouse, the mother of the bride, held a reception afterwards, and about five o'clock, Mr. and Mrs. Crossley left for London, en route for St. Leonards-on-Sea. The following were amongst the wedding presents: — Silver dessert knives and forks, Crown Derby dessert service, silver-mounted dressing case, cushion and d'oyles, afternoon tea set and silver spoons, two oil paintings, cruet stand, marble timepieces and bronzes, cosies, tea and coffee service, cake basket, fish knives and forks, cases of silver fruit spoons, plaque, case of silver, entree dish and sugar basin, silver soup ladle, tea kettle and nut crackers, set of ivory Brushes, silver salver, screen, standard lamp, silver fish carvers, musical gong, two muffineers, silver toast-rack, table gong, jardinière, brass writing set, liqueur stand, silver serviette rings, cake knife and fork, silver flower stands, sugar basin and cream jag, toast-rack, grape scissors, butter knife, chair back, butter cooler, knitting bag, painted tables, table cloths, sideboard and tray cloth, Tennyson's poems, Chinese work, drawing-room clock and ornaments, diamond star, and photo frame. An engraving of Holman Hunt's famous painting — " The Light of the World " — had also been presented to the bride by the scholars attending her class at the Lindley Church Sunday School.

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:18

That makes sense. "Cartrefle" is where James C Waterhouse died on 1 April 1940, according to the notice in the Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer, Tuesday 2 April 1940.

HarrogateMum · 17/04/2020 12:25

This is all fabulous! I had forgotten how much I loved researching stuff. I know there is a Waterhouse grave at my church (which is the aforementioned St Roberts that one of the weddings was held at) so I may have my daily exercise down to have a look later!

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Saker · 17/04/2020 12:31

Personally, I prefer Findmypast to Ancestry if you want to reopen your subscription, but you need the highest level subscription to access the newspapers. Findmypast organises the results of searches a lot better than Ancestry, but for that reason Ancestry can be better at throwing up a wildcard or making a connection that you hadn't been searching for. Remember also you can use the GRO index and FreeBMD for free and now that GRO index lists mother's maiden names etc, it's easier to link families together. Late 19th century, early 20th century is when it comes into its own, because everyone is using it and you can match up with the detailed censuses. I always use it to check births and deaths.

What a fun project for the lockdown!

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:34

Edward Waterhouse was a coalowner at his death in 1880. Of course that might just refer to Yorkshire, but the deep coal of South Wales was being exploited by the mid C19th – often by owners and engineers who already had experience and capital.

Many proprietors of Welsh coal mines did not live in Wales (especially by 1910) and the money and influence from it spread into areas you might not expect – eg the founding of women's colleges in Oxford.

The South Welsh coal industry was also strongly associated with iron working (eg at Merthyr Tydfil).

So it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a Harrogate family of coal and iron masters had Welsh interests or connections.

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:39

The National Archives are doing "Boredom Busters" and guides to getting the most out of the online collection at the moment.
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

They were also promising to open some online material for free access, but I'm not sure if that's happened yet.

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 12:59

I want to know what a "muffineer" is now...

TressiliansStone · 17/04/2020 13:05

Looks like the sisters Mary and Maria Waterhouse gave £10 each to the Harrogate and District General Hospital fund in 1935.

Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer, Saturday 5 January 1935

HarrogateMum · 17/04/2020 14:30

The family were living at a house on East Parade which is in the centre of Harrogate in the 1901 census..I'm guessing that that is Egerton House as it's definitely not the name of any of the Waterhouse houses on my current street.

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TressiliansStone · 18/04/2020 01:57

OK, if you have a newspaper subscription, there's a long advert in the Huddersfield Chronicle on Saturday 23 April 1864 which tells you quite a lot about the family and connections. It's for the sale of substantial lands and coal rights, including:

"... the Estates called Broad Carr, Haigh House, and Blackley, formerly the property of Mr. James Cartledge, and also within and under other lands, grounds, and premises, formerly parcel of the Broad Carr and Haigh House Estates, and formerly the property of Mr. Ely Wilkinson and Mr. Edward Rhodes, which Estates are situate in the townships of Elland and Longwood, aforesaid, and contain altogether about 136 acres, more or less. And also of and in all and every the mines, beds, veins, and seams of coal lying and being within and under..."

The lands can be inspected by applying to "Mr. Waterhouse, coal proprietor, Lindley, near Huddersfield".

I found a second article about the will of JC Waterhouse in 1940, which mentions a bequest to Blackley Chapel, Elland. Land & timber around Blackley Chapel was included in the 1864 sale. There was clearly some ongoing connection.

3girlsmama · 20/04/2020 16:45

There's a series of interesting newspaper articles about another Frank Watergate with a Harrogate link (uncle, perhaps?) from a court case in 1925.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any details (on the other Frank) re his cause of death in 1903.

HarrogateMum · 23/04/2020 14:40

3girlsmama was this from the British Newspaper Archives? I think I may have to get a subscription to it! And I will soon find out about Frank's death as I have ordered his death certificate!

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TressiliansStone · 23/04/2020 15:02

Yes, it's in the British Newspaper Archives. Do a search for "Frank Watergate" in the Use Exact Phrase box, and many of the results are for this.

I saw the same results, and if I remember correctly It's a scandalous case about a wife supposedly taking advantage of a rich Frank Watergate, who lived near Eastbourne, or possibly St Leonards-on-Sea – which is particularly intriguing given your Frank's aunt Kate was heading for that destination on her honeymoon.

Maybe no connection; maybe family members with the same name... lots to unravel!

TressiliansStone · 23/04/2020 15:03

BNA sub is 30% off till the end of this month...

3girlsmama · 24/04/2020 17:12

HarrogateMum, I use the newspaper archive via findmypast which may be fed by the BNA. That's great that you will find out more via the death cert! Do let us know.

TressiliansStone, yes, a scandal which seems to have been well reported on. One article specifically mention Harrogate.

TressiliansStone · 01/05/2020 18:31

National Archives now free to download as promised!

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/news/digital-downloads/

Saker · 02/05/2020 15:05

That's good TressiliansStone, thanks for highlighting that.

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