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Is it just me or is Windows Vista the most useless piece of crap? I'm going back to XP forthwith!

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MyCatIsABiggerBastardThanYours · 20/08/2009 10:37

Should probably have put this in chat, but am hoping that someone can tell me the wonders of Vista or should I just go back to XP.

It is the most non intuitive rubbish. I can't find anything, everything changes when I don't want it to, to do different actions you need to constantly click into different tabs. I've been using it for over 3 mths now, regularly, and still can't get my head around it!

All in all it is driving me bloody mad!

GAH!!!

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NetworkGuy · 22/08/2009 02:19

for MyCatIsABigger....

re linux, better or not, than Windows...

primary difference is that different versions of linux have been developed and are offered for free (though someone putting linux on a CD is allowed to charge 'reasonable' fee for the CD and time, as it makes life a bit easier for someone else than downloading it and then burning a CD themself).

Major items of software have been developed (again, mostly for free) by programmers with an altruistic side, where a 'thank you' (or a $10 donation) is the type of recognition they welcome.

As a result of linux being free, the majority of items of software that go on top are also free, or low cost, compared with some applications for Windows, and Windows itself.

We're used to things like Firefox, or Opera, being free, but browsers have not always been free (in the early 90s you needed a licence for Netscape Navigator, and I bought a copy of v3 in San Francisco in 1995, and Opera only became free {rather than advert supported} when it got to their 10th anniversary, and because Opera is used in many mobile phones, so they have money coming in from phone makers now).

In general Windows has become a bit slower (made up for by much faster computer CPU, and needing lots of RAM) each time a new version is out. PC makers don't mind, as many people need to buy new PCs to run the latest Windows. The 'bloatware' nature of Windows (hundreds of programmers working on different aspects) is not copied for Linux. While there have been lots of people involved with developing Linux versions, the end result normally runs fast, needs less RAM, but (before Open Office came out) had fewer 'office' applications, so wasn't taken seriously by big business.

One area where it still has a big market share, however, is on the internet. Linux can be used on much smaller machines, such as routers, dedicated to specific tasks (without the overheads of a big 'graphical' interface like the Windows desktop), and a good proportion (probably in excess of 75% of web servers are running Linux - it runs for weeks without needing a reboot, while Windows servers often need a reboot every week or they get sluggish through memory mismanagement.

A few forward-thinking organisations have moved to Linux, as they don't have multi-thousand pound Windows licence fees to pay (assuming they have hundreds of users), Open Office is free vs MS Office 200x, and they don't need to upgrade PCs to allow the latest version of the OS to run.

Most versions of Linux these days have a graphical interface, desktop and so on, like the Mac or Windows, so getting to be as 'user friendly' as the others, but not yet caught on as much, because firms like Dell don't push them very hard - and some dumb (sorry!) customers will choose a PC on price, find it runs Linux, and bring it back, as they need want Windows (they groan because it looks different, didn't really give Linux a try, and rather than persevere, take it back).

Wal*Mart (owner of Asda) sold Linux PCs for about $200 near the end of 2007, but they probably have salespeople who only know about Windows at home, but checking today they only sell linux books

However, other firms like Sub300.com and Sub500.com in Canada have been selling PCs at under US$300 for years - I came across them when they were doing a deal where they'd install Linspire v4 on any working PC sent to them and ship it back, for the cost of the return shipping, or send Linspire CD for some low fee {I asked, they said 'OK' and I got a CD, for same cost as if in USA, as they put it 'had not said USA only', and I was expecting some heavy postal cost, or a stark 'No' but they didn't seem to mind!)

They're clearing out machines and so forth for prices from $99 to $160 (that's about 60 to 100 quid, plus 20 quid delivery to USA)...

AllThreeWays · 22/08/2009 07:01

I have just started using Ubuntu and am perfectly happy. All software is free, easy to use and just as intuitive as XP stuff. My cheap 512MB Ram laptop is running faster and cleaner. I love it.
The more people who move to Linux and other ope source software the better IMO

Cymbeline · 22/08/2009 08:10

Thankyou NG - I'm on ADSL with a monthly allowance of 5GB (that's MN for you)

so...well, yes I was tempted to download and be damned but since you said about the charges, it's a risky thing to do I think.

Still am gettingused to the card reader and one of these days SP3 will be accessible Iguess or something else that will be compatible...maybe.

Thankyou for taking the time to run through it

MyCatIsABiggerBastardThanYours · 22/08/2009 13:32

Thank you NetworkGuy. I'm going to show my total ignorance now - with Linux (AllThreeWays - you probably know this too) - is the office software (whatever is the equivalent of word and excel) compatible to word or excel - as in, if I type something up in it, will it save in a format that windows clients can read?

OR - can I run both on my pc (Linux and Windows) or is that just piontless and stupid?

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NetworkGuy · 22/08/2009 15:23

Not pointless, or stupid, but must admit I've never really looked hard at making a machine dual boot, so cannot offer advice.

As for OpenOffice, I believe that pretty much anything saved is MS Office compatible.

Major difference between MS Office and everything else is that MSO has "Access" database, for which one would have a problem on linux (and some of the e-commerce websites accept an Access database to 'upload' all the prices, descriptions, and images, so it would be an essential for those users).

If you can save with MS Office in an "Office 2003" format, that would surely be better (or do you really hate MSO 2007 that much ?

You can actually get OpenOffice for Windows for free to experiment with it (rather than consider the linux route this minute) See this site (LOL - I just read a bit saying "if you're already using another office software package" - wonder which one they mean !!)

NetworkGuy · 22/08/2009 15:26

oooops .... nor stupid ... before someone from Pedant's Corner pops in !

For Cymbeline

Well, does your ISP show you how much you have used? Maybe you should get the download the first day of the new quota, and go easy on MN for the rest of that month !!

Do you know how big the download is? If it's 200 MB or so, it's not enough to worry about, surely. A whole CD is about 700 MB so this service pack is surely not going to make a big hole in 1 GB.

NetworkGuy · 22/08/2009 15:28

Ooops, time flies... want coffee and some breakfast !

MyCatIsABiggerBastardThanYours · 22/08/2009 20:05

Thanks NetworkGuy - your a star and a mine of information.

Now, its 8:00pm, must be time for lunch!

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AllThreeWays · 23/08/2009 13:10

Open Office is almost identical to MSoffice, with the added functionality of being able to print to pdf, hence why I use it on my windows machine also.

As to the file formats, open office automatically saves to open document format (odf) but can be told to save as MS doc xls etc. It will also automatically read MS files.

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