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Boring Boring Accounting Question about VAT and which system to buy?????

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MellowMa · 21/09/2007 14:04

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MellowMa · 21/09/2007 14:56

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MellowMa · 21/09/2007 14:56

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ShrinkingViolet · 21/09/2007 14:58

I like MYOB, can't stand Sage, DH won't let me use QB as no audit trail (i.e. you can change it to hide the fact you entered stuff in wrongly ).
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ChasingSquirrels · 21/09/2007 14:59

As an accountant in practice I don't like QB's for the reason you are all saying you do like it. You can go back and alter things and there is no audit trail. You can post back into prior periods after the VAT return has been done and the next VAT return doesn't pick the transactions up.
Ask your accountant what they recommend and see if they will give you a discount on supplying the software.

Wisteria · 21/09/2007 15:00

There is still an audit trail of sorts with QB, but it saves hassling about making journal entries when you make a silly mistake so can just delete - pretty sure there is still a way of bringing all that info up though.

MellowMa · 21/09/2007 15:02

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ChasingSquirrels · 21/09/2007 15:03

you can just over-write figures though, I haven't found a way to get a trail of this off (though haven't looked very hard either).

Wisteria · 21/09/2007 15:03

That's true CS - I kow a lot of accountants don't like it but PWC recommended it to me years ago and I guess I've stuck with it. It does warn you if you're going to post out of current period though, which I just tell people they mustn't do otherwise I'll slap them

ChasingSquirrels · 21/09/2007 15:06

lol! I would use it myself for that very reason, but as an accountant in practice it is why I hate it. Different sides of the fence.

Wisteria · 21/09/2007 15:07

Yes, you are on bigger bit of fence to me lol

MellowMa · 21/09/2007 15:08

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MellowMa · 21/09/2007 15:09

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Wisteria · 21/09/2007 15:11
MellowMa · 21/09/2007 15:46

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Wisteria · 21/09/2007 15:57

Ask for extra £££s as VAT is added responsibility - oh as a tip, make sure when you have filled in VAT return that he signs it, not you.

MellowMa · 21/09/2007 16:19

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MellowMa · 22/09/2007 12:19

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MellowMa · 22/09/2007 12:19

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Wisteria · 22/09/2007 14:59

MM - do you want to help me then?

Can't get going with this quarter's VAT return - I have lost the will to fucking live.....

Keep getting drawn back in to MN as it's infinitely more interesting.

MellowMa · 23/09/2007 09:17

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CantSleepWontSleep · 23/09/2007 09:33

lol lol lol at this thread.

You do actually have to keep a record of all the 17.5% that you pay on purchases too, and take these off the 17.5% that you charge people on your sales, and then you just pay the difference over to the nice taxman at the end of the quarter.

Not sure why he's only just registering though - supposed to do so when turnover is about £60k, so well before the £150k that he's doing!

MellowMa · 23/09/2007 09:35

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MellowMa · 23/09/2007 09:36

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MellowMa · 23/09/2007 09:37

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CantSleepWontSleep · 23/09/2007 09:45

Ok, let's talk purchases. When you buy something (wood, screws, whatever), you should get either an invoice and/or a receipt (depending where you buy it from). On there it will say something like:

Wood £200
VAT £35
Total Cost £235

You need to keep a record of the £35, as this is VAT which you have paid (it's 17.5% of the £200 price of the wood).

Say you then make something with the wood, and sell it for £300 (net). You will produce an invoice for the customer which will say something like:

lovely wooden thingy £300
VAT £52.50
Total cost £352.50

So your customer will pay you £352.50 (it's important that your boss understands that the cost to his customers will go up, as they will have to pay the VAT in addition to whatever he would otherwise have charged).

When you do the VAT return you will have to declare the £35 as input VAT (VAT on things bought to use in the business) and the £52.50 as output VAT (VAT on things you have sold), and you will pay the difference of £17.50 over to the VATman.

And here endeth the lesson .