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Connection keeps dropping on laptop

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bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 13:54

I've had two netgear routers now and it still keeps dropping. I'm with Orange and it's happened almost as soon as I signed up with them. They've now sent me a Thomson adapter with a set up CD which won't set up on my laptop. I don't know why, it just won't pick up the CD fully. I think there's something wrong with my laptop but my wireless connection also drops on my mobile phone which might suggest it's the Orange wireless connection. I really can't discuss the matter with Orange any further. They take me through the same instructions each time and I suspect they don't really know very much. Any ideas anyone? Any idea what I can do with the Thomson adapter - and does anyone know what the adapter is for?

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 13:58

How far apart are the laptop and the wireless router? What happens if they are close together? (I don't mean as a practical step, since what's the bloody point of having wireless if you have to sit next to the router, but just to see what happens). Does the signal drop out for a moment and then reconnect, or does it drop out and then you have to do something to reconnect?

Is the adapter something like this? Had you previously been using just the internal wireless function of the laptop?

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 14:12

Tribpot, that's exactly the adapter but with an Orange CD. I have always had wireless and a laptop and it was only when I switched to Orange that I experienced problems. Sometimes the connection goes for a couple of mins and other times it's for days. My laptop is right next to the router. I'm sitting at the table now with the router. I can also take my laptop to bed with me (a couple of rooms away) and it's sometimes fine and sometimes not. There doesn't seem to be a particular pattern. To reconnect I try lots of different things but have resorted to switching everything off and on. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 14:24

So, same laptop and same router, but it's only started getting dodgy since you switched to Orange broadband? Or did you start using a router they sent you, and then when that didn't work they sent you another router? And when that didn't work, they sent you a network dongle to rule out your laptop being incompatible with their router, presumably. But you can't get the bloody software to install so we don't yet know if that would help.

Do you have a network cable to plug your laptop into the router? (I'm just wondering if it's actually a wireless problem or, as you suspect, the quality of service on the broadband connection itself).

Do you ever use the laptop on another wireless network, like free Wi-Fi in McDonalds or something? It seems to be there must be something about the new broadband service the laptop doesn't like, it's just trying to isolate what it is. What exactly is it that Orange tell you to do when you call them?

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 15:40

I've tried the network cable and it doesn't guarantee it will work. Orange have taken me through changing channels, using the network cable, changing passwords, changing user names, reseting the router, new router, and the dongle. I've been really lucky over the past day or so and it hasn't cut out once. Hooray! Long may it last. There's not real reason for it. I think because my mobile which is also Orange and connects automatically to my wireless connection when I get home disconnects, it would suggest to me its the actual network connection. I've also tried taking the lid off the BT line and used the other socket - that didn't work at all. I'm just so frustrated that when I ring Orange they take me through exactly the same process they did before and I spend around an hour on the phone knowing that it still won't work. I'm at a loss.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 16:46

So even if you use the network cable, the connection can still drop and not pick itself up again? Does the phone drop out at the same time as the laptop? Or does the laptop drop out at the point where the phone connects?

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 17:53

I don't know about the phone. I'm having a long time without a drop today. I'll check out the phone next time it drops.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 18:03

I'm sure you don't want to risk losing the connection whilst it's staying up for so long! Next time it does drop, maybe try doing a Repair on the wireless connection on your laptop, have you tried that before?

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 18:49

Yes, the repair on the laptop didn't work.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 18:51

Does it manage to make a connection to the router but the internet's still missing, or can it actually not connect?

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 19:30

Exactly that! It connects to the router but no internet connection.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 20:10

Right, I'm with you. In which case, there's nothing (I think) wrong with the laptop or the connection to said router, it is, as you say, the connection coming in to the router itself. Repair is actually therefore working, in that it's reconnecting the laptop to the router, but obv that won't do any good if it's the router itself that needs restarting. This also explains why you have the same problem when connected via a cable. On the plus side, it sounds like you may have got a nice wireless dongle out of Orange (if you can ever get the software running but we can come back to that).

It might be worth looking at the router's log files. You should be able to log in to the router from the laptop - looking at a random Netgear manual it looks like going to the webpage www.routerlogin.net [I deliberately haven't converted that to a link] should open up the admin screen. The username is admin and the password is always password unless you've changed it. Have you done this with Orange when you've been changing passwords? If not, or you don't fancy it, don't worry - I actually don't know what you'll be able to see as DH always sorts out our router. If you do want to give it a try, let me know what you can see (you can always just exit without saving anything) and then we can always have a look for the manual for your actual router.

The other thing I would do, when it next stops working, is have a look at the lights on the front of the router. Have Orange asked you to do that? There's probably one light for the connection from the router out to the internet, and another for the connection from the router in to your network at home. Would be interesting to know what colours they both are.

By the way, I'm assuming your home wireless network is password protected - just wondered if maybe the connection was getting overloaded by traffic from other people and that's why it was conking out.

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 20:51

Wow, thanks so much. I'm just about to get ds to bed then will log on. Yes, already done password etc. Don't know if network is password protected, how do I check that? On phone at the mo.

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tribpot · 19/02/2012 20:54

I'm on a Mac so I'm having to make the instructions up a bit - if you click on the wireless network icon in the bottom right of the screen, so you can do 'View Available Wireless Networks' (there are lots of other ways to bring this screen up, like through the Control Panel if you are familiar with it) and then it should tell you whether your network and those of any others nearby are 'security enabled' (I think it calls it, what a vile phrase). This is also when you can see if any of the neighbours have been engaging in hilarious passive-aggression as once suggested on MN and naming their networks things like 'I hate it when my neighbour doesn't bring his bin in' and stuff :)

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 21:12

I'm on the router login page but don't know what to do now I'm on it.

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bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 21:14

None of the networks say security enabled on. I'll explore. Smile

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bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 21:19

Network availability says all users - does that mean it's not security enabled and if so, how do I security enable it? I'll explore again.

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MollieO · 19/02/2012 21:22

I had a similar problem and it was because I was on the boundary of three exchanges. I ended up switching to fibre optic broadbandas the box was about 200m from the house. No problems since then.

tribpot · 19/02/2012 21:29

bucketbetty, I'm about to disappear to Upstairs Downstairs where no such network problems existed (one simply sent a servant out for the newspaper twice a day) but if none of the networks show up with a little padlock next to them I'd be surprised. Even if your network isn't security enabled most people's will be.

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 21:37

Typical. Lost the connection as I was changing security settings. On 3g. Phone fine. Router lights all green and steady

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bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 21:41

Am also watching upstairs downstairs while sorting this dam computer. I may give up. Thanks for all your help. I feel comfortable knowing you're in the world. Oh what power you hold.

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nannynick · 19/02/2012 21:59

Router lights all green is a good sign, usually.

When you say it's dropping connection, I'm confused as to if it's the Wireless connection, or the actual connection to the phone exchange. I am thinking it might be the latter... in that there are things which occur which cause the line to drop. I've known it to happen with a cable was bitten by a squirrel... the line went unstable. After a few weeks, squirrel must have been having repeated goes at the cable, the line stopped working completely. Engineer came out and found that squirrel had bitten through the cable.

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One thing I'm not sure if you have mentioned yet or not is about the ADSL Filters (these fit to the phone line to enable a phone to be connected to a line which is ADSL broadband enabled). How many phones do you have and are they all connected using a filter? What filters look like varies... this is an example of one type of ADSL filter.

tribpot · 19/02/2012 22:00

If you're on 3G on your phone, it's realised your home network's gone up the spout and has connected as if you were out of the house.

I'd just switch the router on and off, aka the Sunday night bodger solution :)

bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 22:13

Done all of the above. Finally got on when i put in the net password. Online now with laptop but phone not picking up wireless connection. What a pain in the butt. I'm giving up for tonight. I'll come back on tomorrow and start again. Thanks and night all. Smile

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bucketbetty · 19/02/2012 22:15

Nanny, just one phone and yes that's the very same filter - it came with the router from Orange.

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tribpot · 20/02/2012 19:08

betty, are you ready for round two tonight?

I don't think it's your wireless network, even though the phone didn't reconnect after the signal dropped out, I expect it only tries for a limited amount of time before it reverts to 3G. You can force it to reconnect to the network if need be.

It could be the filter, since that came with the Orange equipment. Do you still have your old one? Is it compatible?

It's still worth password protecting your wireless network if it isn't already, but it sounds like it is? Also maybe worth finishing the install of the dongle software, so that Orange can't claim that's what the problem is next time.