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Should I buy a net book or Ipad?

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flagging · 03/05/2011 18:15

I need to take a light laptop to Australia with me mainly to use to surf the net. But when we come back I will donate it to DCs so they can use it for very simple games (they are both under 10) and maybe homework on websites.

I love the look of the iPad but the netbooks seem so much cheaper and I already have an iphone.

So really need advice on what to go for?

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NetworkGuy · 11/05/2011 14:47

"iPad, which is what this thread is about:"

sorry, it seemed a general question to me, too, which is why I would have mentioned trying to find a store with the new Iconia A500 10" tablet due out on 14/05 I think. The cheaper A100 (299.99 for the non-3G, 399.99 A101 3G) models are due out in mid June I think.

A500 expected to be around 450, A501 (3G) around 530, so probably too much when one considers 350-450 can get a reasonable laptop for non power-users.

NetworkGuy · 11/05/2011 14:50

iPad has restrictions on software (eg you cannot just run Flash games on them, as one example) because they are 'crafted' to fit into the Apple family and some things are just forbidden fruit.

The netbooks, on the other hand, are versatile, insofar as in 3 years time if you were fed up with Windows 7, you could switch to Linux... no such flexibility with an iPad, sorry.

Ryoko · 11/05/2011 15:02

Yeah what Network guy says you can change the OS on them at a later date, they are very basic Laptops with a smaller screen that is all, they can't play the latest games granted, but they are very versatile, so long as it has USB connectors on it the lack of DVD rom dives/burners and the small amount of internal storage space isn't really an issue.

silverfrog · 11/05/2011 15:09

it really does come back to what you want to do with it, ultimately.

for ease of use when travellign - great (if wifi hotspots available. no idea wrt roaming costs etc. dd1's iPad does have SIM capability, but have not used this so far. when traveling, we tend to use my phone as a tether if internet is needed out and about - or just use my phone - or use hotel/accomodation wifi)

the battery life is fantastic, meaning hours of film wtching/gam playing when at airports/on plane. netbooks cannot compete on this level (like most ordinary laptops cannot compete with Macbook battery life)

apps wise: you will find pretty much everything you want/need.

do you already use itunes for music? it was a pro for me that it just slotted in alongside my ipod classic, and dd1's ex-itouch - all controlled in one programme.

the flash thing is a pain. there are a couple of (educational) websites I wish dd1 could use (hers is a school ipad), but overall, the usability of the ipad outweighs this for her (SN; has problems with mouse/trackpad control on standard PCs/laptops)

but, other tha "a bit of browsing" - what do you ultimately want ot be able to do?

it was great uploading our holiday photos straight away, using the camera kit - but again, this was of great benefit for dd1, and fun for the rest of us.

if it weren't for the ease of use for dd1 (she was also the reason I bought an itouch originally), and the range of apps for her (both educational and lifeskills wise) I am not sure I woudl need one. I would still want one - they are very cool, but I wouldn't need one.

flagging · 11/05/2011 16:33

Are netbooks slower? Also can they play kids games from the internet (my kids love playing lego games online)?

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silverfrog · 11/05/2011 17:11

I don't have a vast experience, I'm afraid.

we do have a little Sony VAIO - whether it is a netbook a notebook or just a laptop leaves me Confused tbh Grin

but it doesn;t handle online games well - quite slow and clunky (it's about 18 months old, i guess, but has always been quite clunky)

I would suspect the lego games online require Flash - so if that is a criteria for you (the lego games) then an iPad is out.

flagging · 11/05/2011 17:37

oh I missed that - can't ipads use flash then?

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silverfrog · 11/05/2011 17:39

no, no Flash on iPads.

NetworkGuy · 11/05/2011 18:00

Take a quick look at this (item Q286839 on misco website). It's the Samsung N145 Plus (on Ebay they are listed at 175 to 300 pounds)

Offer of 20 pounds cashback applies until midnight tonight (sorry, don't intend to pressure you, but it means you could have this portable 10" screen netbook for about 210 + fiver delivery).

Battery life claim is up to 10 hours which is pretty good, has 250 GB hard drive, so loads of room for movies or music after holiday (or if you decide something better is needed to tempt DC off your laptop, then resale value is kept pretty high, so after your holiday you should still be able to flog it for 160-180 in my view)

flagging · 11/05/2011 20:45

Ok so tell me why the Samsung is better than the Acer Grin

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NetworkGuy · 11/05/2011 22:09

Depends which Acer :)

Actually there's an Acer on the Argos web site which has a better camera but only 4 hours expected battery life before needing a recharge... similar price I think.... case of swings and roundabouts :)

slhilly · 12/05/2011 01:32

netbooks: more versatile, better for content creation due to keyboard, games less immersive, crappy build quality, flash, malware a real risk, relatively complex to use
iPad: less versatile (but more apps than you could ever imagine), worse for content creation but better for many types of consumption, games more immersive, good build quality, no flash (but plenty web-based video and games), no real risk of malware, super-simple to use
other tabs to date have all been at least one of feature-incomplete, crappy OS or software/hardware integration, crappy build quality

horses for courses, really, but there's still not a tablet on the market that is an iPad competitor. (There are good tabs that aren't, but they are different beasts with their own limitations eg Kindle)

slhilly · 12/05/2011 01:34

flagging, I guess the one other piece of advice might be: try them out. If you pick up a netbook and then an iPad (and other tabs if you want), you'll pretty quickly get a feel for which you want, I'm sure... they're all quite different

NetworkGuy · 12/05/2011 09:06

"netbooks: more versatile, better for content creation due to keyboard, games less immersive, crappy build quality, flash, malware a real risk, relatively complex to use"

You're writing "complex to use" and "malware a real risk" as if this is a novice PC user. Having a desktop and laptop I feel sure that (apart from using Windows 7 compared with XP or Vista) the user of two PCs will be able to cope with anything a netbook or laptop throws up at them in terms of learning and knows about tools to guard against malware (perhaps not living in an Apple 'ivory tower' believing it will never happen!)

As for games - depends whether the family like games they already play and can continue with them, or learning new ones. You may not get the latest high processor dependent blockbuster, but it isn't being bought as a gaming (only) machine, after all.

I can see that flagging may succumb to the lure of the iPad, which is "pretty" I have no doubt. It also has plenty of Apps available, so perhaps the family needs will be met. Having an iPhone already may also make it slightly more palatable despite any high cost. That's down to budget considerations which I don't wish to be privy to, but if I was spending cash on something to take away on a holiday trip, I think I'd prefer to take a slightly less 'desirable' notebook than a 'highly desirable' iPad, and if the worst happened, and it was broken (rather than stolen) then it would be a much lower sum of cash that had been put into it and all the more easy to replace even if not covered by insurance. If it was only ever going to be used at home, then I'd see significantly lower risk and if it suited the family need and budget, give it higher consideration.

They don't all have "crappy build quality" but are often built "down to a price" because there is a lot of competition where Apple just slaps whatever price it wants on a product and fans pay it (or save up and pay it). While some argue that Apple is overpriced, for other people it is "what the market affords".

I remember a comparison of the cost of the same brand of toothpaste in Brazil and France some 10+ years ago and there was at least a tenfold difference, because Brazilian consumers could not/would not pay the higher cost. I won't pay more than 8 quid for a CD, or more than 35 quid to get into a gig, because I consider that higher prices to be taking money off people who don't appreciate that paying more tends to make the sellers expect even more in future, and I decide with my wallet (and while I may miss out on some things, I don't regret it one instant). Similarly I will not buy Apple products at current prices. I don't expect them to go down anytime soon, so I do without, or have bought some (quite dated) items second hand, and never spent more than 50 quid. If one looks on Ebay, a fast XP desktop can be had for under 125 quid, so flagging could afford a netbook and to replace the desktop, for perhaps less than the cost of an iPad (do they still start at about 500 quid?)

slhilly · 12/05/2011 11:09

When I say netbooks are "complex to use" and "malware a real risk", I mean by comparison with an iPad. Although given the number of botnets etc out there, I don't think that even non-novice PC users are that well protected.

Re games, I said that they are less immersive on a netbook. I wasn't referring to framerates or availability, but the fact that the iPad touch interface works really really well for games.

The money question really comes down to what people value (and their budget, of course). eg plastic and polycarbonate vs metal+glass -- the latter are generally more expensive materials and most people will see them as providing greater rigidity, durability, better aesthetics, a more pleasant feel in the hand etc etc. Many people just want a version of the functionality; many others want a slicker experience and will pay for it. Everyone will think their decisions were the right decisions and have a rationale for why.

flagging · 12/05/2011 14:25

Thanks everyone so much for helping me with my decision. I really considered all your comments carefully and had a play with each in the shops and today I went out and bought my choice....dah dah dah Grin

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slhilly · 12/05/2011 16:03

V diplomatic of you not to say what choice you made! Now everyone can be pleased Wink

plupervert · 20/05/2011 12:24

Sorry I'm a bit late to this, but I have been looking at the Asus Transformer, which is a tablet with a dockable keyboard. Which seemed quite impressed with it, apart from the keyboard demonstrated when it was launched, which they said had redundant keys (as it runs Android). However, the stockists' specifications available now say the keyboard is specifically designed for Android, so I am more interested. The thing which worries me now is editing functionality in Word, as I am a freelance editor/proof-reader, and need to be able to access and manipulate all versions of Word... or else this is just an expensive toy for me to squabble over with DS...

There is a very cool Android app for time-tracking, though; that would really make my invoicing life so much easier!

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