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I know I should but I'm thinking of using peat based compost

101 replies

Houseplanter · 06/05/2024 12:03

* shouldnt*

Because the peat free stuff is so rubbish!

I'm a big houseplant fan (who'd have guessed) and I've repotted several and found it full of hard lumps, fibrous stuff that won't hold any water and worse of all I think fungus gnat larvae.

Now it's outdoor pots time I'm finding it just as horrible.

What's everyone else doing?

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Shetlands · 06/05/2024 16:39

Coastalcreeksider · 06/05/2024 16:12

I had the worst display of summer plants and flowers a couple of years back with New Horizon peat free. It was like I'd tried to grow things in the contents of a hoover bag. And the toadstools ... 😱

I use a seaweed based one plus what's left of multi purpose mixed with compost already used over the past couple of years from pots and tubs. I also put garden soil in it too. I just add a bit of blood fish and bone to gee it up when I reuse it.

I'd happily buy the peat free as long as the quality has improved and I won't mind paying more for it either.

I've just ordered some Rocket Gro instead of New Horizon this time. I live on the coast so will gather some seaweed too.

NeverendingRabbitHole · 06/05/2024 16:45

I ordered the Dalesfoot for the fist time and it's really good stuff although a couple of the bags were very wet so took a couple of weeks to dry out before I could plant in it. It's very good stuff though.

I also bought 2 bags Durstons Organic Peat Free and I can vouch that it is a good texture and no funny stuff in there.

Really hoping my composting regime will stop the need to buy compost by next Spring though - it's pricey getting good peat free stuff!

DesparatePragmatist · 06/05/2024 16:46

Another vote for Dalefoot wool and bracken compost here. I would never get peat because of the awful environmental cost, but shared your frustration with many peat-free ones. This is a game-changer - been using it for 3 years now and it's great. They do seed and potting versions. It is a bit more expensive but well worth it in my view, and you can often shop around for BOGOFs

parietal · 06/05/2024 17:00

A hotbin is a good way to make your own compost in a small garden.

umberelladay · 06/05/2024 17:06

I have made all of my own this year, well I made it last year 😁 It's really good and totally free. I've just filled two darklicks for next year. I also collect lots of leaves and I add tonnes of nettles.

I learned my lesson with the peat free a few years ago, it was basically wood chips!

HolyFalseEquivalencyBatman · 06/05/2024 18:28

@Shetlands lucky you being able to gather your own! Just for info:
If placed on the compost heap, fresh seaweed should be mixed in with woody or fibrous material (prunings or paper for example). It can become rather slimy and gelatinous on its own or when mixed only with kitchen waste or lawn clippings.

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 20:27

Magpiecomplex · 06/05/2024 16:25

Coir has a carbon footprint problem though, it's shipped from where the coconuts are grown.

Coir is shipped in compressed bales, as ballast on container ships.

Fertile Fibre is very good for all sorts of growing.

I used to be a professional gardener, plant grower and sold plants, and it and Melcort are very good

Magpiecomplex · 06/05/2024 20:36

@Feministwoman granted it's good, but the industry is moving away from coir and going with wood fibre in this country. Partly the carbon footprint, partly the labour conditions at source, partly because the edible bit of the coconut is almost a by-product of coir now. I'm a crop scientist. Agreed re Melcourt though. Interestingly I've heard suggestions that wood fibre based media could harbour fungal pathogens.

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 20:39

And yes to making your own compost at home!

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 20:42

I have lots of space, lots of land and lots of compost bins. And heaps.

I've found making compost from leaf and wood chip very effective, but it helps if you have a wood to source materials (which I do)
Takes longer, but worth doing in a separate bin, if you can

bluecomputerscreen · 06/05/2024 20:42

when I was a young one we used to microwave garden soil to use for indoor plants

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 20:43

Magpiecomplex · 06/05/2024 20:36

@Feministwoman granted it's good, but the industry is moving away from coir and going with wood fibre in this country. Partly the carbon footprint, partly the labour conditions at source, partly because the edible bit of the coconut is almost a by-product of coir now. I'm a crop scientist. Agreed re Melcourt though. Interestingly I've heard suggestions that wood fibre based media could harbour fungal pathogens.

I've certainly noticed more fungal activity in my wood chip bins, but only the normal activity one would see on the forest floor.

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 20:48

bluecomputerscreen · 06/05/2024 20:42

when I was a young one we used to microwave garden soil to use for indoor plants

A blowtorch or a metal tray over a fire works well

EdithGrantham · 06/05/2024 20:52

I'm glad I've come across this thread as I thought it was just me being picky but the compost I bought this year is rubbish! I've been buying peat-free for a few years but this year's is awful. My tomato seedlings seemed to stop growing ages ago and I think it might be because of the compost, I've left them as they're still alive but just not doing anything 😭

Unforgettablefire · 06/05/2024 20:54

I bought some peat free miracle grow bags and put my fruit trees in pots with it. The water that ran out the bottom when I watered them is like tar. Black oily stuff and it's left an oil slick on my path god knows what's in it.

Talkinpeace · 06/05/2024 20:56

Peat was only brought in as a growing medium after WW2
it is an unsustainable option and the sooner it goes away again the better.

Melcourt is good and reliable.
Compost should NOT be cheap.

Houseplanter · 06/05/2024 20:59

Unforgettablefire · 06/05/2024 20:54

I bought some peat free miracle grow bags and put my fruit trees in pots with it. The water that ran out the bottom when I watered them is like tar. Black oily stuff and it's left an oil slick on my path god knows what's in it.

Yes me too! I bought it as a reputable brand it's just horrible

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orangeblosssom · 06/05/2024 21:11

What about finely composted horse manure

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 23:19

orangeblosssom · 06/05/2024 21:11

What about finely composted horse manure

Not got the right balance of nutrients in it.

GetUpStandUp4 · 06/05/2024 23:38

admittedly I know nothing about gardening but I'd noticed the same issue with my compost this year. I was advised to put some mulch on it before going away but didn't have time to go to. garden centre so grabbed some bags of top soil to put over. can someone point out to me why we use compost instead of soil? is it higher nutrients?

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 23:54

GetUpStandUp4 · 06/05/2024 23:38

admittedly I know nothing about gardening but I'd noticed the same issue with my compost this year. I was advised to put some mulch on it before going away but didn't have time to go to. garden centre so grabbed some bags of top soil to put over. can someone point out to me why we use compost instead of soil? is it higher nutrients?

Compost is really what one makes in a bin/heap from a mix of green sappy stuff and brown dead stuff (high Nitrogen and high Carbon containing materials)

Basically it's what you'd find if you scraped away the top few inches in a woodland, with decayed weeds, leaves and a healthy ecosystem of fungi, bacteria and creatures.

The stuff labelled as "Compost" in garden centres is actually "Growing medium"

it contains compost, but also top soil (which will also contain compost naturally) and sand maybe and other added trace elements and fertilisers ( hence the element balance of N:P:K you see on the bags), all free from weed seeds.

Most peat free mixes have a high level of composted wood chips in them, and often the cheaper ones are quite coarse, the wood isn't composted for long enough ( in my opinion) and with lots of bits of wood visible .

You can grow plants straight into Compost, but it runs out of nutrients quite quickly, and often doesn't have the structure needed to support a growing plant physically.

Also you'd need to produce a heck of a lot of your own compost, and unless you were a real expert, your compost would still have weed seeds in it

Pay as much as you can for Growing medium!

Feministwoman · 06/05/2024 23:55

And Top soil doesn't have the right nutrients to sow veg seeds in, really. Ok for mature plants, but even then some compost would be helpful

Islandsmeh · 07/05/2024 00:04

The council stuff can also be contaminated with weedkiller. I lost all my seedlings one year.
The peat free stuff is awful, it just won't hold water and the bloody fungus gnats, I don't want to repot my houseplants this year, because I can t face the gnats.
Will putting the compost in the oven help? - but then rehydration will be a challenge. I used to use coir which was great, but can't seem to get it locally.

Feministwoman · 07/05/2024 00:56

Oh gosh yes the Amino/Clopyalid weedkiller problems!

You can order coir based Fertile Fibre, to be delivered? Either from them direct, Or from the Garden Organic catalogue

Feministwoman · 07/05/2024 00:58

You can also buy blocks of compressed coir growing medium, which you then rehydrate at home? Oxfam used to sell it

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