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Artificial grass what's the deal?

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BG2015 · 07/03/2021 16:46

Last year we had our garden done. Really pleased with it. Decided to have the lawn re-turfed as artificial grass was so expensive.

However, although our garden/patio is south westerly the bottom half is sheltered by a massive willow tree so gets little sun. We also had a visiting mole x2 which created havoc and turned it into a mud bath.

We've decided to go with artificial grass, I'm not a great fan but it's the only way to go with our garden now.

So what's the deal with the grades etc as I know nothing about it. We've got someone coming to give us a quote next week so would like to have some idea first.

Artificial grass what's the deal?
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ThisIsClare · 10/03/2021 08:14

Jealous - we have dogs and the garden is a racing track to them. But it's quite a large area so too expensive to do.

GnomeDePlume · 10/03/2021 08:19

@BG2015 We have artificial lawn. Two goes at turfing had failed. As others have suggested, go for one with mixed coloured 'grass' blades. So far this lawn has stood up to two major building projects.

DH fitted ours which meant we could spend out on the lawn itself.

By environmental compensation on our allotment we have planted about 60 trees in the last few years and built two ponds.

A grass lawn isnt necessarily particularly friendly to the environment if you want to be able to use it. Regular mowing, weed and feed etc turns it into a monoculture.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 08:19

Well you are coming across as a judgemental bully. You're making huge assumptions about people based on one tiny bit of information and I'm sorry to say, that makes you sound like a bit of a twat 🤷🏼‍♀️

You have no idea why I have a ( really tiny) piece of fake grass but you decided it's because I'm thick ( I'm not) and selfish (wrong again)

FWIW I chose to put a small bit of fake grass in my garden because:

  1. We tried to grow real grass. For years. Nothing grew and it was just a boggy mess.
  1. I have a serious back injury as a result of a car accident. This means I find walking difficult, can't drive at the moment and also can't carry my son - we put a small piece of fake grass in our garden so he could play out on a soft surface . The alternative is going to the local park which I can't do as it involves walking and lifting.

But yeah I'm just thick and selfish

LST · 10/03/2021 08:21

[quote Franklyfrost]@LST

Franklyfrost
Artificial lawns = dead inside = you have no concern for the environment, you find no joy in everyday nature, your only aesthetic principle is tidiness.

On the plus side I’d give an artificial lawn owner the benefit of the doubt and assume not all the decisions they make in life are selfish and unimaginative.

Hahahahaha you're such a pillock*

Ouch. Although I am such a pillock and the word sounds kinda nice and cheerful. A jolly willy frolicking through the real grass fields.

I have more garden prejudice which makes me a double pillock, extra cheerful. Would you like to hear my theory on the correlation between having concreted your front garden and thinking Nigel Farage had some interesting points? It includes a statistical survey of UKIP placards verses garden type and concludes with the words ‘rotten inside’.[/quote]
You're just proving my point on what a pillock you are. Carry on dear.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 08:28

Get the children to grow some flowers and veg. on raised beds there why not? They might grow up to respect nature. And or put a safe pond in the damp area.

We do this too. We have a village allotment which DS loves and DS& DH grow flowers in the front garden (which is only v small).

We just chose to put a very small patch of fake grass at the back where there is no sun.

I hope all these people shouting at those with fake grass are vegetarian, don't drive, don't fly, only use locally sourced produce ...... otherwise that would be a tad hypocritical no?

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/03/2021 08:31

"A grass lawn isnt necessarily particularly friendly to the environment if you want to be able to use it. Regular mowing, weed and feed etc turns it into a monoculture."

But it's a million times better than a plastic one. No amount of justification gets around that.

Franklyfrost · 10/03/2021 08:32

I call total bullshit on the ‘I’m disabled so I need fake grass’ line. It’s a very British thing to want a lawn, most of the world doesn’t have the right climate for lawns and yet they manage to have easy to maintain child friendly gardens. I do judge when someone buys something both useless and vey environmentally damaging. I am also a pollock. And my children are muddy.

Zenithbear · 10/03/2021 08:33

Awful stuff. We ripped it up when we moved in a put a wildlife pond in, paving and pots.
It's the equivalent of carpet in a bathroom imo.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/03/2021 08:34

"I hope all these people shouting at those with fake grass are vegetarian, don't drive, don't fly, only use locally sourced produce ...... otherwise that would be a tad hypocritical no?"

It's like Mumsnet bingo on here. This live is trotted out all the time.

Just being alive has an environmental impact. Doesn't mean you it justifies poor environmental choices. Nobody needs plastic grass. Plenty of other options if a lawn won't take.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/03/2021 08:35

@TheJerkStore

Well you are coming across as a judgemental bully. You're making huge assumptions about people based on one tiny bit of information and I'm sorry to say, that makes you sound like a bit of a twat 🤷🏼‍♀️

You have no idea why I have a ( really tiny) piece of fake grass but you decided it's because I'm thick ( I'm not) and selfish (wrong again)

FWIW I chose to put a small bit of fake grass in my garden because:

  1. We tried to grow real grass. For years. Nothing grew and it was just a boggy mess.
  1. I have a serious back injury as a result of a car accident. This means I find walking difficult, can't drive at the moment and also can't carry my son - we put a small piece of fake grass in our garden so he could play out on a soft surface . The alternative is going to the local park which I can't do as it involves walking and lifting.

But yeah I'm just thick and selfish

Are you replying to me here? Because it's not bullying to say plastic grass is bad for the environment.

I've not said you are selfish.

But fact is fact.

Franklyfrost · 10/03/2021 08:36

Side note , if you’ve got the grass for your children you might want to check it doesn’t contain carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and consider the effects of ingesting/respiring micro plastics. The EU is about to regulate it but luckily we’ve been saved from that.

Hoppyfrog · 10/03/2021 08:39

To all the people ignoring peoples' concerns about the environment, nature, insect populations being under huge threat - is there anything at all that those people who care and are trying to ensure a healthy future on our planet could say, to make you change your minds about replacing more nature in your gardens with plastic?

Roselilly36 · 10/03/2021 08:39

Not keen on fake grass if I am being honest, never looks right, however expensive. You need a solution as grass won’t thrive in that part of your garden, personally I would pave it.

Good luck with whatever you decide OP.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 08:41

Are you replying to me here? Because it's not bullying to say plastic grass is bad for the environment.

No I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to the person who decreed everyone with fake grass thick and selfish.

ppeatfruit · 10/03/2021 08:44

Thisisclare Our "left alone" grass didn't cost a penny BUT and it's a big but, we've been organic for 15 years.

No one is perfect but some people are aware of the damage we're doing to the world and others may be but they don't care.

It's important to try to help not to just give up. Every little bit helps.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 08:45

@Hoppyfrog

To all the people ignoring peoples' concerns about the environment, nature, insect populations being under huge threat - is there anything at all that those people who care and are trying to ensure a healthy future on our planet could say, to make you change your minds about replacing more nature in your gardens with plastic?
You're assuming that we dont do anything to secure a healthy future ... that's not necessarily true. I do loads! I just happen to have a small piece of fake grass which apparently make me a stupid, terrible human.
Bluntness100 · 10/03/2021 08:51

For me the main problem with plastic grass, as shallow as it sounds, is it always looks plastic close up. Always. No matter how many arty pics from a slight distance taken , in real life it looks plastic. You know immediately.

I’m a bit snobby about that. It’s like filling your garden with plastic flowers. From a distance it looks fine, up close it’s also tacky.

In addition it’s going to put a lot of people off when buying, as a large amount of people dislike it.

Then you couple in the environmental issues.

I also think as mrs hinch had it, a lot of people are going to think to also get it. Like the colour grey. As they follow her mindlessly.

She tried to say it’s because her grass also doesn’t grow, but a lot of people saw that grass was fine and Jamie out mowing it. It was the workmen in doing the rest of the work that ruined it, gazebo, decking, borders, patio that caused the grass to get ruined.

Each to their own, but a lot of people find it incredibly tacky. The thought of hoovering your lawn is cringe worthy.

Hoppyfrog · 10/03/2021 08:53

@TheJerkStore the thing is that it all adds up - artificial grass is a growing market and replacing the real thing in more and more gardens in Britain. I'm genuinely interested in whether there's anything that could be said to start reversing this trend and change peoples' minds on it.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 08:57

[quote Hoppyfrog]@TheJerkStore the thing is that it all adds up - artificial grass is a growing market and replacing the real thing in more and more gardens in Britain. I'm genuinely interested in whether there's anything that could be said to start reversing this trend and change peoples' minds on it.[/quote]
If somebody could have made grass grow in our back garden that would have been fantastic. We tried for years

We made sure we compensated as much as we could in other ways.

Hoppyfrog · 10/03/2021 09:01

@TheJerkStore so maybe what is needed is better information, ideas, photos etc to show more environmentally-friendly alternative options to fake grass, for people who aren't happy with the real thing and have trouble with making it grow in their gardens?

Bluntness100 · 10/03/2021 09:03

[quote Hoppyfrog]@TheJerkStore the thing is that it all adds up - artificial grass is a growing market and replacing the real thing in more and more gardens in Britain. I'm genuinely interested in whether there's anything that could be said to start reversing this trend and change peoples' minds on it.[/quote]
I think the issue is going to be increased when influencers like mrs hinch get it, and then tell fibs it’s because their grass doesn’t grow.

She’s aspirational in an achievable way, so she’s not off buying Chanel or shopping in John Lewis, she’s down b&m and on eBay. And her foray into plastic grass is going to be the same issue, folks will think ooh I can do that too. It looks good, when they’ve never seen it in real life and don’t get it looks plastic. There’s going to be cheap plastic grass to go with the grey walls in more homes because of it.

Unless you get an influencer with the same demographics explaining why it’s bad, environment, tackiness etc, it’d difficult to reverse within the sort of demographics who follow her blindly.

GnomeDePlume · 10/03/2021 09:09

@NeilBuchananisBanksy But it's a million times better than a plastic one. No amount of justification gets around that.

A million times? Do you have any stats for that please?

I expect my artificial lawn to give me maybe 20 years of use. At some point we may replace it with turf again. At that point the artificial turf will probably be moved to our allotment where it will be used to cover a bed over winter.

In the mean time we arent mowing, strimming, weeding & feeding the lawn.

TheJerkStore · 10/03/2021 09:16

[quote Hoppyfrog]@TheJerkStore so maybe what is needed is better information, ideas, photos etc to show more environmentally-friendly alternative options to fake grass, for people who aren't happy with the real thing and have trouble with making it grow in their gardens?[/quote]
Maybe 🤷🏼‍♀️
I'm not the best person to answer as we didn't get the grass so we'd have the perfect looking garden. It was for practical reasons.

One of our issues is our back garden is in perpetual shade so nothing grows. It was never really a problem as we have lots of green spaces locally for DS to play but I sustained a serious back injury in a car accident 2 years ago and I sometimes find it hard to walk - I just wanted a nice space for DS to play in during the times I find it difficult to take him places. It's a really small garden and most of it is paved - we just added a small section of grass so there would be a 'soft' part of the garden.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/03/2021 09:19

[quote GnomeDePlume]@NeilBuchananisBanksy But it's a million times better than a plastic one. No amount of justification gets around that.

A million times? Do you have any stats for that please?

I expect my artificial lawn to give me maybe 20 years of use. At some point we may replace it with turf again. At that point the artificial turf will probably be moved to our allotment where it will be used to cover a bed over winter.

In the mean time we arent mowing, strimming, weeding & feeding the lawn.[/quote]
I don't have the actual statistics no.

But are you seriously trying to argue that plastic grass is better for the environment than a real lawn?

You say you'll reuse it in 20 years. You don't even know if you'll be able to by then.

Franklyfrost · 10/03/2021 09:23

@GnomeDePlume

I think it’s a million times worst because unlike eating meat or wearing plastic it’s not normal yet. I’d like it if gardens continued to be little beloved pockets of nature in our homes.

But if you’d like some facts this is from a 2019 Guardian (where else) article and has plenty of statements you can dig deeper into (I could make that a pun but must go to work)

“Paul Hetherington, fundraising director for the charity Buglife, says artificial turf is far from an eco-friendly alternative to natural grass. “It blocks access to the soil beneath for burrowing insects, such as solitary bees, and the ground above for soil dwellers such as worms, which will be starved of food beneath it,” he says. “It provides food for absolutely no living creatures.”

This is a particular concern in view of the dramatic global decline in insect species. The UK is on course to miss its own targets for protecting its natural spaces, and has lost 97% of its wildflower meadows in a single generation.

It is not just wildlife that artificial turf affects. The Committee on Climate Change recommends rewilding a huge area of UK land and growing many more trees to help tackle global heating by storing carbon. Not only does fake grass have no climate benefits, but producing the plastic emits carbon and uses fossil fuels.

The common practice of replacing soil with sand to provide a more stable bed for the fake grass also releases even more CO2 stored in the earth, according to David Elliott, chief executive of tree-planting charity Trees for Cities.

There is also the matter of microplastics: the tiny particles of plastic that have made their way throughout the globe, and are present in our food, water and even the air. Madeleine Berg, project manager at the environmental charity Fidra, states that most plastics are likely to contribute to microplastics through physical and chemical degradation, such as being stepped on and exposed to constant sunlight. “You would be hard-pressed to say that you have created a product which doesn’t shed anything,” says Berg.

There are also growing concerns about the impact of the synthetic chemicals that are added to artificial grass on human health and the environment. The EU has been investigating specialist artificial turf used on sports fields for suspected carcinogens, and is considering banning intentionally added microplastics. While these are different products to those sold to home gardeners, Berg says artificial pitches are sometimes reused for landscaping.

Guy Barter, chief horticulturist at the Royal Horticultural Society (RHS), says there is a place for artificial turf as an alternative to paving slabs, gravel and particularly concrete, which is its own environmental nightmare. “Hard landscaping can be very expensive, and people fancy a bit of green in a small garden. We’ve even laid a bit [of artificial grass] ourselves.
“But I don’t think that for all but specialised purposes that it really compares with [real] grass. Not only does it not provide any of the environmental benefits of grass – like soaking up moisture, home for insects, feeding birds, self-sustaining – its life isn’t that long. It gets trampled on and quite soon looks poor. It can’t be relaid or reseeded; it has to be rolled up, lifted and sent to landfill.”

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