Emergency Fostering - what are SS's responsibilities?

[CouthyMow]

For various reasons, mostly to do with the safeguarding of my younger DC's, and to try to get my DD the MH support she so desperately needs, I have had to refuse to allow her to come home after she is taken to court in the morning.

She is 15, with SN's and has been self-harming again (only discovered in police custody).

I had to have her arrested yesterday for criminal damage, partly for my safety, partly for the safety of my younger DC's, and partly tbh for her OWN safety.

Because it has been logged as a DV incident, and I am the victim, and for the reasons outlined above, I cannot have her home.

I thought in these circumstances, SS were OBLIGED to find an emergency FC placement?

DD has been in cells since 2.30pm yesterday afternoon. The Officer in Charge of the case has had a massive row with the duty SW as they have refused to find a placement for DD - apparently there isn't anywhere.

Tomorrow morning, she will be taken by security, with no appropriate adult, to a youth court in a town over 30 miles away, as my local court isn't open tomorrow. They didn't WANT to take her strait to court, but as SS have refused to place her, the police have no choice.

After court, she will be taken down to the Court Cells until YOTS can see her. YOTS will have to contact SS. Then DD will STILL be waiting in cells until a SW can get there.

I don't know if it will be a SW from MY area or a SW from THAT area. That area is in the South of my County, and I am in the North of my County.

I have no transport, what will I do about visiting DD?

I'm not doing this because I WANT to, but because it's the last resort, and I have to safeguard my younger DC's from her violence - as well as smashing my house up constantly for the last 4 days, and absconding repeatedly, she has also threatened to beat my 11yo black and blue and to push him down the stairs.

Are they discharging a proper duty of care to my vulnerable, depressed, self harming 15yo with SN's and Moderate Learning Difficulties??

Leaving her in cells for maybe 24 hours or more in total? She was arrested at 2.30pm yesterday afternoon, and will be taken to court at 8/9am tomorrow, to be heard at some random point after that. Then she will have to wait for YOTS (not her first court appearance for criminal damage) and THEN wait for a SW...

Is this normal with such a vulnerable teenager if the parent, for reasons of her younger DC's safety, cannot take them back home?

[hootloop]

It might be unsustainable but clearly their safety is paramount.
SS are clearly not going to help if they could they would have done so. Therefore it is a damage limitation excercise.
I worked for an LEA who would have put couthy's daughter in a residential school for children with SEN. These options were not available abd leaving her outside the front door is not safe for anyone.

[lunar1]

I can't believe they have just released her like that. Is there any way to contact your mp in an emergency? Ss are completely neglecting your very vulnerable family.

[CouthyMow]

I've updated my other thread - that was a total LIE that SW told me, DD was safe in SS reception, I only found out because I rang YOTS who share a building with SS, they have now found her an emergency placement and I've sorted out some clothes for her.

[mistlethrush]

Can we ring your MP for you, ring your Local Councillors, ring anyone else and highlight how utterly unacceptably things are being handled?

[mistlethrush]

x posts. Unbelievable. But I'm glad a place has been found.

[BookFairy]

I'm shocked at the response from SS. Of course they have a responsibility and the ability to find your DD an emergency placement!

I recommend creating a timeline of the recent events and emailing to YOT, SS, and the Contact Centre of SS. Do you know the names of the team managers? I work connected to SS and a paper trail is vital.

I think.you are amazingly strong.

[LaurieFairyCake]

It's really good that they have lied and claimed they've released her, more basis for complaint at them trying to put undue pressure on you to have her back.

Great that they've found a placement for her - they only did that because you were strong enough to resist the pressure. Well done

[lunar1]

Bloody hell! Make sure to write everything with names and times down, I doubt this will be the last incompetence.

[CouthyMow]

I hope she doesn't hate me. I know I'm doing the best for EVERYONE, it just isn't going to feel like that yo her.

I haven't been able to speak to her, but I've put a little note in with her toiletries to remind her that even if it doesn't seem like it , I still love her very much.

[mistlethrush]

You're doing the best thing - you're trying to get her the help that she so clearly needs, and you've tried all the other options with no luck. I really hope that they actually do start getting her the help now.

[ByTheSea]

Just want you to know that my DS2-16 is in local authority care as he presented a danger to my younger children. He has been in a variety of supported accommodation (and sadly YOI) since refusing to finish at his EBD boarding school. I haven't posted about him lately but we have been to hell and back with him. I am in the same geographical area as you. Just stand your ground. You have to protect your whole family.

[CouthyMow]

I'm a bit worried that she won't WANT to come back - her friends in FC seem to get things I can't begin to afford, as I'd have to do them 3 times over, for DD , DS1 AND DS2.

Her friends in FC all seem to have a £20 a week allowance, new, named clothing all the time, iPads and iPhones...things I've not got a cat's chance in hell of affording...

That's been playing on my mind last night...

[OddBoots]

You didn't have a choice, you've done the right thing for all your children (and yourself but it's clear you're intentions were the care of your children).

There will be issues, maybe the ones on your mind, maybe others but you have done all you can do in the situation you were in so try not to dwell on them.

[CouthyMow]

It doesn't help that the side of FC DD has seen (and she FOES have a few friends in FC) are iPads, out far later than I allow, money to go to the roller rink twice a week (I can only afford once a month, as the other three DC's need to have a social life too), new clothes that are named brands, not just Tesco best IYSWIM...

She sees the grass as greener.

[ByTheSea]

She probably knows my DS. He would brag about these things and make it sound rosy even though he also steals these things (including from me and others in the family) and then sells them.

[LaurieFairyCake]

You've definitely got a point about the extra 'stuff' FC get - dd gets £60 pocket money a month, £60 clothing allowance, phone paid for. All activities paid for (4 dance classes/ scouts/music lessons/ice skating every week). This is the minimum we have to give her - and I think it's loads.

Worst of all in my opinion though is the fact she's been told by SS that she will get a flat and £2k to furnish it when she's 18.

We counteract that though by not letting her out til she's done her homework (12-15 hours a week as she's Gcse year) and by explaining and showing her what the working world is like - we both work at weekends and evenings and she has to as well to get her homework done. We think our goal is to get her independant and able to support herself financially.

There are other foster carers though who just give them the money and don't supervise adequately in my opinion.

Hopefully she will get the type of carer who is sensitive to her needs and won't let her run rings round them.

[ByTheSea]

If they move into supported accommodation, they get £50 per week and need to sort their own food out of that.

[CouthyMow]

They wouldn't put a vulnerable teen I yo supported accommodation as soon as they turn 16, would they?!

[CouthyMow]

Christ, £60 a month pocket money?! I can usually scrape together about £10-15 a month for each of the three DC's. And that INCLUDES their mobile credit, and one 'outing'.

THAT is one of the reasons I think DD sees FC as a fun place to be, rather than the boring stresses of home, where I struggle to pay the internet bill, and she is lucky to get £5 a month phone credit.

(She could use the landline for mobiles, my phone package includes calls up to 59 minutes even to mobiles without me paying extra, but she refuses to use it...)

I can only afford to buy clothing when it's absolutely necessary, when someone has grown, or an item of clothing has worn out. And I can't afford any brand names either...

Today as both DS1 AND DS2 have grown, I've had to buy 4 jumpers and 4 t-shirts out of £50. Which is no easy feat when they both wear adult sizes...

She HATES the fact that a lot of our clothes have to come from the charity shops, and are never the brand names that she covets.

What she doesn't notice is that I wore boots with 2-inch holes in for 2 months over the winter (got some new ones today for £10) so that I could buy them bloody Christmas presents.

She never sees what I DO manage to do for her, only what I don't.

If I won the lottery (difficult when I don't buy a ticket...) then yes, she would have comparable 'things' to her friends.

I didn't ask to be disabled, and to have to leave my career when she was 5, but it happened. And that's my fault too.

She doesn't realise how much it upsets me to see her feel like she doesn't fit in because I can't afford the stuff she wants. I wish I could.

But anyway, I have spoken to the SW. She offered me the FC phone number, but I gave her mine to pass on instead (DD won't remember it!). I will leave it up to DD when to call me.

She is bound to be angry and stressed, but no matter how much I miss her, I don't want to put her on the spot by ringing her, I want her to feel ready to call me, so that it doesn't stress her out too much.

It's hard, because even when DD is away at her Dad's, I ring her twice a day. But it's not about how I feel, it's about how DD feels.

God, no matter how necessary this is, for ALL of us, I bloody miss her!!

[LaurieFairyCake]

When are they having a case conference?

Is the emergency placement for a while, have they indicated how long she can stay?

[ByTheSea]

I don't think they would put her in supported accommodation. DS is as he cannot be in a family environment and can be quite abusive to those caring for him (once past his honeymoon phase of being the most charming person you could ever meet). Sometimes teens just need a bit of breathing space (and so do you and your other DC) to grow in maturity and see how important it is to be in a place (home) where they're loved. The bloom of being in FC will fade.

[NanaNina]

I think these stories about £60 per month pocket money in FC are somewhat exaggerated. FC allowances in some areas are actually being cut, and they are expected to buy clothing out of their allowance, and so this is going to affect pocket money to the young person.

I'm a retired social worker/manager and under the terms of the Children Act there should be a Placement Agreement Meeting as soon as possible after the child is placed. That is to sort out the day to day stuff about who does what. I would contact the duty team (as it is unlikely your DD will have an allocated sw) and ask when this meeting is taking place. These meetings are usually held in the home of the foster carer, but different LAs will have different arrangements.

I really feel for you as you have clearly been struggling for a long time. I have a horrible feeling that once your DD is 16 then SS will say they no longer have any responsibility to her. It is true that a young person is a minor until aged 18 but many young people aged 16 are made to leave foster homes and put into shared housing or hostels if there are any in the area. This was happening when I was last working 2004 and things are so much tighter now because of all the budget constraints.

It might be a good idea to contact your local councillor who will alert the Director of SS to your plight and this may help in ensuring she is cared for beyond 16 years. Incidentally are you getting DLA for your daughter, and a Carers Allowance and any other benefits you might be entitled to.