I know I am the last person on EARTH to see Brokeback Mountain, but is anyone around to answer a couple of questions? ta

[harpsichordcarrier]

when Jack and Ennis have their big showdown (their last meeting) and Jack says he is seeing a woman on the side, is he really talking about the guy he meets at the dinner and suggests a fishing trip? (I suspect so, as his dad refers to him later too)

and

when Lorraine is telling Ennis about Jack's death and we see flashbacks of Jack being attacked, is this Ennis's vision/worst nightmare about what might have happened (given what he sw as a child) OR is it the reality as opposed to Lorraine's sanitised version?

TIA

Yes

and

the reality

i thought it was a great film

I saw it, but tbh have no idea what you are talking about. Memory like a bloody sieve.

Thought it a very over-rated film myself.

yes, I thought it was great too though much harder to watch than I thought. Ang Lee has such a light, delicate touch imo and handled the subject beautifully. Heath Ledger was amazing, imo. very subtle and affecting performance.

Well you are not the last person to see it.
I haven't seen it yet!

oh sorry tortoise
DON'T READ THE THREAD!

Not sure about the first question but in the short story it's based on, when he hears about Jack's death he wonders before he phones Jack's wife if it might have been an attack and something in the way she tells the story confirms to him that it was.

ah, interesting thanks!

Had to watch it with subtitles - so much mumbling. And can't remember bits your talking about now either. Middle age.

my impression of those scenes was that we are not SUPPOSED to know whether it was real or whether it is just ennis's suspicions.

to me, that not knowing what has actually happened reflects the heartbreaking position that ennis is in: the person he considers to be his soulmate dies and he finds out only indirectly. the details of the death are given in such a way as to put doubt in his mind about what really happened.

because of the illicit nature of their relationship, and despite the depth of it, ennis is completely sidelined with regard to jack's death. only ennis's mother acknowledges his grief. and for me, that's what made the story to sad and affecting.

took me a good few viewings to really appreciate heath ledger in the movie - for the first half hour, i was really irked by his mumbling! as harpsichord carrier says, a very fine, subtle performance.

Tinker I'm with you. Saw it at the cinema and couldn't hear a blardy word anyone was saying!!!!

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I just saw this for he first time recently too... i think yes to the first question and agree with raggedrobin that you can interpret the second thing either way.

Dh really liked the film too (and I thought it would be too "touchy-feely" for him...)

Not reading thread, but wanting to say - I still haven't seen it

I just watched this yesterday. I thought it was amazing. Such a beautiful film on so many levels and so so so sad. I was sobbing. I am still close to tears thinking about it today. Very moving.

In answer to your questions I think yes and the reality .

The film really blew me away.

Brokeback Mountain was one of those films that haunted me for days afterwards. It's exceptionally well adapted and shot. A beautiful film I think.

I was doing fine until he found the shirt and jacket.... then the sobbing started!

you aren't the last person on earth to see it, as i haven't seen it yet!!!!!!

"Brokeback Mountain was one of those films that haunted me for days afterwards. It's exceptionally well adapted and shot. A beautiful film I think."

i agree, but i cried buckets at the end...

star-crossed lovers is there ever a more upsetting story?

I love it-absolutely class film. My OH hates it though. Would be very interessted to know what other guys think about it?

My Dp rated as an excellent film.

Understated, subtly acted, moving and a real guys flick in places. my gawd could they say 'less'!

Interstingly rated as sexually explicit despite it having a distinct lack of sex. Compare it to a hetreo film and the difference is marked.

Oh and I thought it was ace too, quiet but meaningful and beautiful to watch bith because of the superb acting but also the direction.

But I'd have appreciated less mumbling. Blardy blokes.

My OH is obviously from a different generation. This film definately makes him uncomfortable & he is very interested to know how this is a guys flick-sorry.

Well I guess you gotta to be comfortable in your maleness.

They are very blokey. They communicate in grunts, looks and actions. They do things and argue and that is one of the ways they know they like each other, I don't geddit. But manly folk, they can punch/wrestle one another and it be a good thing. A bondign.

It is difficult to understand they advancement of relationships as a girl. But my Dp followed it and said well yeah that bit they obv changed relationship from this to that.

The denial of feelings too. Is very traditionally male. They do what is 'right' they marry, they 'live' and they suffer. The tale of males. But they should be free to love. But that would be wrong.

It is uncomfortable. Because they are living a lie and they and you, the audience, know it.