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East is East

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TheThreeHeadedBeast · 30/12/2022 21:33

I have just had an argument with DD about this. I think it is a brilliant film, the conflict of cultures, children rebelling about expectations etc.
DD can only see the misogyny the racism the homophobia etc.
Yes it is all there, but that was life in the 70's. To me, what makes the film powerful is the fight against it, how difficult the challenges the wife and the children faced and what they had to endure.
I believe that a lot can be learnt by watching this film, it is not acceptable with today's values, but you can learn from the past.
So, you need to understand the past and learn from it.
What do others from different ages think - I am mid 50's

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GCAcademic · 31/12/2022 18:28

Brefugee · 31/12/2022 16:49

I wonder how anyone with OP's DD's mindset would handle films like Cry Freedom (about Steve Biko) or Mississippi Burning (lynchings inthe southern US) or Rabbit Proof Fence (stealing First Australian's children)?

Is it that they can't handle the truth of how far we've come, and how far we still have to go? Is it disbelief that we haven't come far at all? About all the hard work we have all put in? (i know my DCs were ASTOUNDED that I'd been on protest marches, some for environment , even before they'd ever heard of climate change)

Curious.

I do think that there is a belief in those in their teens and twenties that they are the first generation to be alive to social injustice and to do anything about it (even though much of that activity seems to be yelling at people on social media) and that previous generations are all nasty old bigots.

Brefugee · 31/12/2022 18:30

it's weird because i remember being an older teen fervent feminist (I claim 2nd wave Feminism). And i spent a day at Greenham Common with some of the protestors. And our feeling (we young 'uns) and their feeling was that our feminism, our activism, was building on that which had gone before. The feeling was more of standing on the shoulders of giants than reinventing the wheel, which is what the current crop of young people often seem to be doing.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 31/12/2022 18:33

I enjoy the film but it annoys me that some of the wallpaper is out-of-period - poor research.

Hellocatshome · 31/12/2022 18:38

Just because something is misogynistic and homophobic and racist doesnt mean we shouldn't watch it, as long as we are aware it is these things and why these things are unacceptable. Thats how we learn surely.

Neolara · 31/12/2022 18:46

I don't think the film is racist, homophobic and misogynistic. I think it includes racism, homophobia and misogyny as part of the story. It's a bit odd your dd can't tell the difference.

Always4Brenner · 31/12/2022 18:47

It’s a brilliant film this is how it was then I love films set in the past.

walnutmarzipan · 31/12/2022 18:51

Neolara · 31/12/2022 18:46

I don't think the film is racist, homophobic and misogynistic. I think it includes racism, homophobia and misogyny as part of the story. It's a bit odd your dd can't tell the difference.

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HamBone · 31/12/2022 18:57

GCAcademic · 30/12/2022 21:49

I agree with you OP. It disturbs me that so many young people (like my students) expect to be served up a sanitised version of the past. Whitewashing history serves no good purpose, least of all for those groups who have suffered historical oppression.

I agree, @GCAcademic . I thought it was a brilliant film that honestly depicted the era. We shouldn’t forget what people endured, or pretend it didn’t happen.

The fact that we find it shocking is positive, because it shows that society has moved on-at least in some parts of the world.

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2022 19:27

I find it concerning that a large number of young people are determined to erase/ deny/ rewrite history and judge historical events and people by modern standards.
It seems that those of us who grew up in the 70s know nothing about racism, poverty, sexism, feminism. No life experience at all. Never experienced any challenges. Oh well.

Seymour5 · 31/12/2022 19:50

I was a young mum in the 70s, I thought the film was brilliant (and funny) at the time, and is still relevant in terms of our history.

IceStationStallion · 08/01/2023 18:17

I absolutely love this film - it is nostalgic, poignant and makes me laugh and cry. In format it is very similar to Billy Elliot. The half a cup of tea, the difficult times that these families had , the strong women.... I have also see the sequel West is West too and I cried buckets at the scenes with his first wife. There's not many films that can make you laugh so much and cry so much. I'm in my 60s and love the music in it too.

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