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Am I being unreasonable to think if you make a film of a book...

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vvviola · 11/09/2015 23:15

.... you should actually use the story of the book?!

I just watched Child 44. They ruined it. Took away the whole central premise of the book.

I should know better by now, I don't think I've ever been impressed with the film version of a book except maybe To Kill a Mockingbird

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diddl · 13/09/2015 08:54

The Go Between.

Fabulous.

How will they top that cast?

Smooshface · 13/09/2015 09:02

Funny to mention Stephen King when The Shining and Shawshank redemption come from his writing, how amazing are they?

Quite liked high fidelity despite the change from the book. I think they often have to decide what to pick. Of course Lord of the rings covers the good bits, 3 really long films! A real novel will be hard to condense. Watching terrible Jilly Cooper TV movies, they miss out tons to make it even vaguely fit.

American Psycho is much better than its bloody boring book.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 13/09/2015 09:10

They're doing their best (the BBC, that is) - they've got Vanessa Redgrave and Jim Broadbent playing the older Marian and Leo. But I just can't see anyone else as young Marian - Julie Christie was so perfect in every way. I'm dreading it - I will watch it though and then probably want to kill the BBC.

Actually, to be fair, I was Hmm when the beeb did Tess of the D'Urbervilles a few years back - because the film was so perfect, but I thought they did a really good job of that.

I thought the Keira Knightley film of Pride & Prejudice was a travesty. I was just cringing all through it -it was so awful I had to keep looking away from the screen - the bbc 6-part version was just so good.

diddl · 13/09/2015 09:17

I loved everything about the film.

The music, scenery, atmosphere...

AnyoneButAndre · 13/09/2015 09:35

To the "bad books make great films" I would add The Godfather, which is a dreadfully schlocky book and a cinematic masterpiece. I'd defend Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep though. It's a perfectly good novel although it has bugger all in common with Blade Runner except for the protagonist's name and a bit of set dressing.

The Thing (John Carpenter version) is a very good and faithful adaptation of the original novella, though it changes the ending significantly.

I love the Percy Jackson books and am massively pissed off that the film's were so disastrous, because I really wanted them to get to book 5 and do the Battle of Manhattan. It started with them changing the characters' ages from 11 to 17 because the director had hated working with kids on Harry Potter. And then you have to change stuff because of that, because a mother can sacrifice herself for her 11 year old son but not for a six foot 17 year old. And then they cast a black actor in a central role which was a reasonable choice but meant they had to change his personality because his original characterisation now had unfortunate overtones. Each change had knock on effects. For the second film they tried to get the arc plot back on stream but it was too little too late.

IJustLostTheGame · 13/09/2015 15:47

They ruined the dark is rising.

5Foot5 · 13/09/2015 16:11

My Sister's Keeper TBH I think nearly all of Jodi Picoult's books have one chapter too many. She often adds what I consider to be a completely unnecessary twist at the end.

Years ago when DD was about 5 I decided to get a copy of Enid Blyton's "The Secret Island" to read to her as a bedtime story as I thought she would love it. It seemed to be out of print but on Amazon they were advertising something they called "the novelized transcript of the TV adaptation". I was surprised as I was not aware it had ever been on TV (turned out it was an Australian production) but I naively thought it would do - how different could it be?

The book arrived and was still called "The Secret Island" by Enid Blyton though it explained in smaller print what its derivation was. However, when I started to read it I was appalled to find it bore virtually no resemblance to the original book at all. It was as if some know-nothing who had been asked to write the script for the TV series had flipped through it and had completely missed the point of its appeal and had just thought "Oh nothing much happens so I had better pep up the plot a bit and add some adventures. And mysterious monks. And helicopters. And any other drivel I can think of to ensure this TV series has nothing whatsoever to do with the original story".

We abandoned this dismal book after a few chapters and I found a second hand copy of the original to read to her. I was right she did love it and read it again and again, just as I had when I was a child. We threw the other version away. I wouldn't even give it to a charity shop as I didn't want anyone else to suffer as we had!

annandale · 13/09/2015 16:39

I agree about my sister s keeper, I hadn't seen the film and realised on reading the synopsis on wikipedia I'd remembered the plot of the book as being how the film is, without that stupid final twist that makes a mockery of the whole supposed message.

Ain626 · 13/09/2015 16:47

I have to say I'm a big Jodi Picoult fan - I know some of you aren't! But I actually like her books - and HATE the movie adaptation of My Sisters Keeper. (Apparently Jodi also hates it, she said so at this QandA thing she did on one of her book tours that I went to - apparently she was promised more control over the film adaptation, but then didn't get it after she signed to say they could have the story - she should have been a bit more 'savvy' I guess with signing over the rights!)

Hunger Games - I like the film adaptations.

Harry Potter - I do like the films, but the books are far better.

When I was a kid I used to read a book series called 'The Saddle Club'. They did a TV adaptation of it which I just couldn't get along with.

Yamayo · 13/09/2015 17:38

I was traumatised watching the LOTR film adaptation when Faramir decided to take the ring back to his father in Minas Tirith- the reason why he was always my fave character was that he was one of the few who could resist the power of the ring.

I remember really annoying my friend when we saw it at the cinema the day the film came out. (Yes I am a Tolkien geek Grin)

The rest of the films were pretty good though.

Yamayo · 13/09/2015 17:41

Oh and I thought the Hunger Games films were good but Peeta was miscast.
In fact I remember before they shot the films they showed the cast pictures. I assumed the actor who played Gale was playing Peeta and vice versa.

riverboat1 · 13/09/2015 19:22

I don't think there's that much of a correlation between how good a film adaptation of a book is, and how closely it sticks to the material of the original book.

IMO it all comes down to the identity of the film in its own right, and whether the director has an original and persuasive vision for the film.

Stephen King reportedly hates Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of The Shining because he attributes motivations to characters that weren't there in the book, and changes the story too much. But by god The Shining is a great film.

There are films where the characters are nothing like I imagined when I read and loved the book, and bits of the story are changed, but that still manage to win me over. Ang Lee's Sense and Sensibility and Stephen Spielberg's The Color Purple both spring to mind. Also the first Bridget Jones film. The directors seem to have a clear vision of what they want the film to be, and they create something new and fresh that is good and enjoyable in a different way to the source material.

Other adaptations may or may not stick faithfully to the story of the book, but still be boring with nothing new to add. Like the second Bridget Jones film - it gave me nothing good, it was just a repeat of the formula of the first film using material from the second book, but without the sly directorial humour that made the first one so good. The adaptation of the Time Traveller's Wife was also both rubbish as a film AND not very good at dealing with the source material.

I'd put LOTR and The Hunger Games in a category where there's obviously been a lot of money and care invested in the films, and the result is neither bad nor good, just respectable and watchable. It's always novel seeing books you've read and enjoyed acted out on screen, but I still prefer the books and don't have much reason to rewatch the film instead of reread the book.

BathshebaDarkstone · 13/09/2015 19:23

Esio Trot's another one. Sad

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 13/09/2015 19:50

The English Patient is another one - great book and film, yet so different. Interestingly the film centres on really only one chapter of the book - the relationship between Almasy and Katherine, but it's so beautifully shot and scripted, and the rest of the book is sort of woven in, it stands on it's own as a masterpiece (IMO, obvs).

FishWithABicycle · 13/09/2015 19:51

Generally if all a film does is put the plot of a book onto the screen exactly like it is in the book, it seems a bit pointless. There is no artistic merit, and I can generate the same effect by using my imagination as I read. Film is a different medium to the printed word and can and should try to do something new and interesting with the premise. e.g. "Children of Men" was a brilliant film which diverged significantly from the book without betraying it, and included some truly marvellous cinematography.

MustBeThursday · 13/09/2015 20:20

Probably one of my favourite adaptations would be Hunger Games (I LOVE the books). I'd have been gutted for Peeta if Katniss ended up with Gale - particularly afterhe started thinking like a game maker with his traps I would have hated it if Katniss ended up with him.

I do like the Harry Potter films but totally not in the same league as the books, and there seemed to be pretty important sub-plots removed (Winky? SPEW? Kreacher's transformation/RAB? And don't get me started on Dumbledore "calmly" asking Harry if he put his name in the goblet Hmm.

I also like The Bad Mother's Handbook and would love if they did the sequel.

I get so annoyed (as does DH) when they mess up stories I love.

Particularly awful adaptations not yet mentioned (I think) off the top of my head: Confessions of a Shopaholic (combo of first books); Beautiful Creatures; City of Bones. Divergent wasn't great either.

JeremySpokeInClassToday · 13/09/2015 20:43

My mother in law made me howl when she complained, after seeing 'Noah'with Russell Crow ....I quote - "it was nothing like the book ! "

honeyroar · 13/09/2015 20:51

I think 99% of film adaptations of books fail to live up to the books. I cringe now when I hear of a favourite book being made into a film.

I liked the Harry Potter films, apart from the final one which I hated, but obviously the books were better.

The Hunger Games were good. (And yes she should have ended up with Gale, who was clearly her soulmate, and whose character they changed at the end of the third book, I thought) although we still haven't seen the last one...

My Sister's Keeper had me livid with rage at the stupid ending, especially when those that hadn't read the book loved it!

I'm cabin crew for an airline. I once had a first class passenger reading Water For Elephants, so I told him I loved the book. He looked up with delight and told me he was making it into a movie and reeled off who would be playing who. I said oh how lovely, but I'm sure he saw my face drop! He didn't do a bad job, it could have been better but it wasn't bad.

BlueJug · 13/09/2015 21:44

Bolograph and riverboat both make excellent points.

I agree about The Go Between - I remember the heat of that summer so brilliantly portrayed - and agree Julie Christie and Alan Bates were brilliant.

"One Day" - terrible film but I quite enjoyed the book - bad casting and again seemed to miss the point somehow.

I try to see the film and read the book a few years a part - that way I am not comparing them so closely and it works better, (for me).

Sadik · 13/09/2015 21:54

The Studio Ghibli Tales from Earthsea is the obvious one for me - almost no visible relationship to the books . . .

CharleyDavidson · 13/09/2015 22:10

I'm watching The Host now.

Terrible film. I loved the book though. Just loved it. Perhaps some ideas in books just don't work in films without coming across as being too wet or something.

AnneEtAramis · 13/09/2015 22:57

I thought the Time Travellers Wife was actually quite different, well to how I imagined it anyway. Different enough that I was able to enjoy the book and the film.

Captain Corelli's Mandolin - just a beautiful book. The film made me not want to watch another film ever again.

Lady C that was on the other day was an utter pile of shite.

reallywittyname · 14/09/2015 03:25

The Remains of The Day is a great film, they got it just right. All that repression, then the line at the end of the book when he says his heart was breaking and somehow Antony Hopkins managed to get that across in a wave and a "bye" when Emma Thompson gets on the bus...

ChristineDePisan · 14/09/2015 03:36

Not film but TV, but the Tru Blood series was, IMHO, a great adaptation - not a completely faithful transcription onto the screen, but captured the spirit of the books whilst making the most of the acting talent they had (eg some characters feature more, or aren't killed off so quickly)

ButterflyUpSoHigh · 14/09/2015 06:56

My Dd has waited ages for the second Mazerunner film the Scorch Trials to come out. She saw it yesterday and was so disappointed.