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Please recommend me some good (real) feminist films

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palomatoast · 13/07/2024 23:42

I've just watched Poor Things and need eye bleach. I stupidly only vaguely read the blurb and a quote from the lead Emma Stone about how it's about female emancipation and the patriachy. Well it's definitely about the patriarchy alright.

Please recommend me some good (real) feminist films, ideally directed by women. I need to cleanse my soul.

OP posts:
Precipice · 28/07/2024 15:10

Said woman isn't required to be less feminine because of that

Can you give me some examples of films where women are not feminine, since you suggest that otherwise strong female characters tend to be butch? I think the norm is for female characters to be portrayed as somewhat feminine to very feminine. When there's a 'kick ass' character who is still feminine, I don't see that as 'at least she doesn't lose her traditional femininity', but as 'even then, a woman still has to be feminine'. I think there's a real shortage of women who are not feminine in media, not many at all.

Fruityful · 28/07/2024 15:40

Precipice · 28/07/2024 15:10

Said woman isn't required to be less feminine because of that

Can you give me some examples of films where women are not feminine, since you suggest that otherwise strong female characters tend to be butch? I think the norm is for female characters to be portrayed as somewhat feminine to very feminine. When there's a 'kick ass' character who is still feminine, I don't see that as 'at least she doesn't lose her traditional femininity', but as 'even then, a woman still has to be feminine'. I think there's a real shortage of women who are not feminine in media, not many at all.

I'm not talking about looks, or body type. In fact, modern cinema is replete with tiny Kristen Stewart body types throwing around giant burly men and taking male punches with equanimity. I'm not a fan of that. Contrast with Gina Carano in Haywire where you have a woman who can believably knock a full grown man on his bottom. That I do like.

I'm talking about interests and goals. Susan in Monsters vs. Aliens (sorry, @MrsWhattery , I meant Ginormica!) isn't judged or condemned for wanting a perfect wedding, being taken to Paris by her fiance or having a make-over at the start of the movie. She moves on to other things like battling radioactive snails that are trying to eat Paris, but she's still delighted to be going to Paris. The film doesn't mock her original desires or her bridesmaids or other people. It's feminism as freedom from a fixed societal role. As opposed to feminism as condemning a particular societal role. I was reading that other interesting thread on here right now about how someone feels there's a lot of judgement against young women who are having kids or being stay at home mums. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Ripley in Aliens, Susan in MvA, Lena Headey in The Sarah Connor Chronicles (another good feminist TV show, imo). All of them show women who are strong (none of them especially butch as you raise it though there's nothing wrong with being a butch woman) without being judgy. There's a trend in modern Hollywood movies to show women as strong at the expense of others being weak, or at other societal roles being wrong.

I'm very much in the Feminism = Freedom from Sex-based Societal Roles camp. Which is at odds with some people who think Feminism is condemnation of "traditional" female roles. (I don't like the term "traditional female role" but it'll do to convey the viewpoint even though it's not one I share).

So for me, movies and shows where a woman is simply able to be capable and be accepted as that are feminist movies.

Not exclusively. I've mentioned Colossal which deals with domestic abuse, and controlling relationships. But I feel a character like Ripley where she is simply a very capable person and accepted as such, is actually more feminist than say that Charlie's Angels movies where women are unrealistically better than everyone around them seemingly because they're women.

Who is the better Feminist icon? Ripley - working alongside others, stepping forward to lead because she is the best but still getting along with and working with everybody. Or She-Hulk going on about how she is better able to handle being a hulk than Bruce because she's a woman and then twerking with Megan Thee Stallion?

That's actually what I'm getting at. When I wrote feminine I wasn't meaning as an antonym to butch. And I wouldn't! I don't see being butch as being less female. I hope nobody else got that from my post.

Anyway, OP just wants something to get Poor Things out of her head so I'm going to recap my list and maybe add a couple:

  • Colossal (starring Anne Hathaway. A favourite movie)
  • Alien and Aliens. Ripley is the best. Vasquez is second best.
  • The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Sci-Fi TV show that ran for two seasons with Lena Headey stepping into the role of Sarah Connor. Very well-written show, lots of unexpected turns and one of the strongest female characters you'll ever see
  • Ginger Snaps. Light horror movie with two young girls dealing with becoming adults and some heavy feminist overtones.
  • Haywire. Gina Carano in a James Bond style role, but more gritty.
  • Ms. Marvel. The TV show. The actress is beyond charming and in a Muslim family the feminism takes on additional elements. You don't need to watch the Marvel movies to get into the show and honestly, it's a lot more subtle and characterful than the movies it shares a universe with. Very positive as well. If OP just wants some wholesome and positive pallete cleanser, this will do it.

If I think of any more, I'll add them.

Fruityful · 28/07/2024 15:51

Oh, Arcane probably counts. It's a series that aired on Netflix. For something that is animated it is far, far more nuanced than might be expected. Or perhaps that's unfair to animated movies, I'm not really into them. But the characters of Vi and Powder are fascinating and both very strong female characters, and both strong in different ways. There are a number of very interesting female characters who all have slightly different relationships to their femaleness. The show deals with themes of trauma, there's a very non-exploitative and non- box ticking female-female relationship that feels very natural. And the art is absolutely beautiful. The show had me crying even at the opening. It's fantasy and magic, but with a deeply grounded story in terms of characters. If you've never heard of it, I strongly recommend going in blind, no clips, no trailers, no reviews. Trust me - you don't want spoilers for this.

Fruityful · 28/07/2024 16:01

MrsWhattery · 28/07/2024 14:09

IMO, the best feminist films are often those that simply portray things how they should be.

Yes that's exactly why I love Monsters vs Aliens so much. It's about a woman about to enter a disappointing marriage in which she's expected to take second place, transforming into a "monster" who fights aliens and realises that she loves working as a team along with the other monsters, that's who she is and it's the life for her. It's not that all women should reject relationships with men for the sake of it - but that a woman should be free to be herself, be fulfilled and enjoy her success even if it doesn't look feminine. And it's not "a feminist film" - it's just a story in which that happens.

You know I re-read your post and it occurred to me that Derek pretty much rejects himself by not accepting how great she is. She actually doesn't dump him when she becomes Ginormica (she should have long ago but that's another thing). If he could accept her for who she is rather than need her to be less than him, he could have stayed her partner. Whereas the other male characters who do accept her for who she is - Cockroach, Bob, Link (and weirdly the general) - actually stay in her life. That's a quite feminist theme that didn't occur to me until you wrote that.

LilacWriter · 28/07/2024 16:15

I recently wanted to show my friend Made in Dagenham and couldn't stream it anywhere from the UK which is a cheek really. Think I'm going to have to bring back the DVD player!

doyoulikemyyams · 28/07/2024 16:36

The Lost Daughter, with Olivia Colman.

Lookingforfireflies · 28/07/2024 16:41

This is a very useful list - thanks everyone!

The film 'Blue Jean' is set in the north of England at the time of Section 28 with Georgia Oakley as director/writer and Rosy McEwen, Kerrie Hayes and Lucy Halliday in leading roles. It's a lesbian story, very powerful in my opinion, and beautifully filmed and acted.

There's also 'Mothers of the Revolution' - some of the story of Greenham Women's Peace Camp - if you are counting inspiring documentaries.

MrsWhattery · 28/07/2024 17:34

If he could accept her for who she is rather than need her to be less than him

Yes - separately from this films thread, I've been thinking a lot about this need/want in men. It's one of the reasons I can't even be bothered trying to date now. So many men seem to actively want their woman to be less intelligent and/or successful than them. In a way that really isn't true the other way around.

Carebearsonmybed · 28/07/2024 18:46

80 for Brady
I was put off by a USA sports movie but it's got a fab female cast and passes the Bechdel test x10.

There are so few I appreciate any film that's from a female POV so even though something like Dirty Dancing is problematic I still prefer it over male pov films even those purported to be feminist.

The accused, that Jodie Foster won her 1st Oscar, for is a feminist film in terms of its message but it's about rape so needs a huge trigger warning. It's harrowing to watch especially as it's a true story.

North Country is Charlize Theron about fighting sexual harassment in the workplace, which she did after Monster which also has some feminist messaging in it.

There are female ensemble cast films that aren't necessarily feminist in content eg Now & Then, The women, the first wives club, Hocus Pocus, The divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood, the sisterhood of the travelling pants.

What's love got to do with it.
I, Tonya
Both have good depictions of domestic abuse.

The film of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

AstridFahan · 01/08/2024 17:32

"Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles" - Also considered one of the most boring films of all time, since it is definitely not an action film. If you can stand the pace at three hours long, it is actually brilliant.

"The Magdalene Sisters"

"Promising Young Woman"

Omlettes · 01/08/2024 21:08

palomatoast · 13/07/2024 23:42

I've just watched Poor Things and need eye bleach. I stupidly only vaguely read the blurb and a quote from the lead Emma Stone about how it's about female emancipation and the patriachy. Well it's definitely about the patriarchy alright.

Please recommend me some good (real) feminist films, ideally directed by women. I need to cleanse my soul.

Female Perversions with Tilda Swinton, based on a pschotherapy book about self harm.
Got run down by critics at the time because feminism was enjoying the backlash in the 90's that brought us to TRA ideology. But it is a very good film with some utterly unforgettable moments about sexism, male gaze, self harm, how women contort themselves.
The acting is sensational and even without the subject its a very arresting unusual and hypnotic film.
The moment when TS is applying lipstick and looks at the older woman on the bench has haunted me ever since.
It was on UK Amazon recently, but its gone again
www.primevideo.com/-/te/detail/Female-Perversions/0PM4PV7XBYR6G2RVP07MPX3WV6

HRTQueen · 01/08/2024 22:12

Wadjda, it’s a fillm about a little girl who lives in Saudi Arabia who wants a bike. She is rebellious and courageous

The film shows the women of Saudi who are not meek but strong and are up against a deeply misogynistic regime

The film is directed by a woman who had to film and direct much of the film from the back of a van

ita a great film

Domoda · 01/08/2024 23:02

Agreed, Wadjda is a wonderful film

Raquelos · 11/08/2024 23:38

I really recommend "Watcher" a 2022 film directed by Chloe Okuno and starring Maika Moore. It was sometimes a little slow moving but a really tense watch that I enjoyed so much more than I expected going in (I walked in off the street to escape the rain).

Review (that reflects what I think) as follows:

Modernized Hitchcock done right.
This was a fantastic paranoia thriller. Maika Moore is fantastic as the lead actress and the villian was also perfectly cast, he was quite menacing. The story here is very well done, albeit derivitive and at times you must suspend some levels of your disbelief, but it provides just enough twists and turns throughout to keep it from getting stale. With that said, the movie can also be kind of slow in parts, but I feel like it was a slow burn done right. Hitchcock would be proud of this film. If you're looking for a good paranoia horror/thriller, this would be a great choice and you could definitely do worse.

Genuinely, give it a watch, I rarely remember films I have seen but this one really stuck with me (in a good way).

blackcherryconserve · 11/08/2024 23:40

palomatoast · 14/07/2024 08:22

Thanks for your reply. I guess I just mean any film that I can sit down and watch and not feel slightly annoyed (or more frequently downright disgusted) by the presentation of women in it.

I've seen so many "feminist" films recently (e.g. Barbie) which I've found so disappointing. My version of feminism doesn't involve a non-subtle attempt at marketing skinny plastic dolls to little girls.

This board knows what real feminism looks like so I'd love to get some recommendations.

It may have been presented as a feminist film but to my mind Barbie was just plain shite.

SkaterGrrrrl · 11/08/2024 23:45

Moxie with Amy Poehler is great!

GlomOfNit · 13/08/2024 21:23

Grandma, a 2015 film with Lily Tomlin playing a lesbian grandma helping her pregnant teenage granddaughter to get an abortion!

Women Talking is excellent.

Tarr is great, almost passes the Bechdel Test.

Jigglypufff · 13/08/2024 21:31

Promising Young Woman
Polite Society
First Wives Club

Squirrelsnut · 13/08/2024 21:45

Bright Star and Orlando (Jane Campion directed).
Repulsion - very thought-provoking.
You Are Not Alone (with Noomi Rapace). I think that's the title anyway.. Excellent folk horror.
To Walk Invisible. About the Brontes and very powerful.

Thighdentitycrisis · 13/08/2024 21:56

Great thread , thank you

newrubylane · 13/08/2024 21:58

Mona Lisa Smile

McSilkson · 13/08/2024 22:20
  • Barbie (she can wear pink AND Birkenstocks; the final word is "gynaecologist"'; makes the rather radical statement in today's climate that being a real woman does mean having female reproductive organs, thank you very much)
  • Legally Blonde
  • the Hunger Games series
  • Mad Max: Fury Road
  • Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga
  • The House of Mirth (strong-minded woman smothered by the sexist standards and expectations of the 19th century)
  • Priscilla (the emancipation of Priscilla Presley)
McSilkson · 13/08/2024 22:45

Oh, and in case anyone somehow hasn't seen it, Titanic. Yes, really.

GlomOfNit · 13/08/2024 23:00

I love this thread: I'm going to try and fill in some gaps in my filmic education!

The Piano, as a piece on expressly female desire and (mostly) the female gaze and experience, I absolutely love, so I'm glad to see so many women here love it too.

I saw Blue Jean last year and found it a bit bleak but really good.

Saint Omer is a French courtroom drama/contemplative piece by Alice Diop, truly intersectional (in terms of how race impacts on how women and their acts are viewed) from the combined points of view of two French-African women. It's excellent.

McSilkson · 13/08/2024 23:09

I realised I sort of spoiled Barbie in my above post, but I don't know how to edit a post..? :S

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