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Fasting / 5:2 diet

The 5:2 Diet Thread number 18! Breaking out the summer wardrobe?

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/04/2013 10:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Itsaboatjack · 23/04/2013 20:42

My next dream is getting to a healthy bmi. I am tantalisingly close. I shall hopefully be doing a big announcement very soon.

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YoniFoolsAndHorses · 23/04/2013 21:06

Fast day today. I ran yesterday and ache a tiny bit today. Was very busy until about 5. I begged a glass of water in a furniture shop I was in earlier and the very fit young salesman said he'd been on the 5:2 too and had lost a stone Grin.

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YoniFoolsAndHorses · 23/04/2013 21:07

monster 54 yes!! Completely. Am really l

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YoniFoolsAndHorses · 23/04/2013 21:08

...looking forward to getting down to the next number on the scales. I say dream about it.

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fluffypillow · 23/04/2013 21:27

Thank you for the welcome Smile

Well, today was my first fast, and after feeling really quite nervous about it, it was really good.

I had a dentist appointment at lunchtime, so spent the morning worrying about that Blush and forgot about food!

I kept myself busy this afternnoon in the garden with my little DD , and before I knew it, it was dinnertime when I had a big bowl of soup. I really thought I would get stupidly hungry, but it was fine, and has given me confidence. If I can fast today, then I can fast a couple of times a week. I really think this is doable for me now.

I have the tummy rumbles now, but know I can last until the morning, when I shall have two slices of toast and butter, tomatoes and an egg with tomato sauce..........not that I'm dreaming about it or anything Grin

I understand now why it is so important to keep busy, the time goes much faster if you have a distraction. I will try to always plan things to do on fast days, that's a must.

This is such a great thread, looking forward to sharing this WOL with you all Smile

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akarucker · 23/04/2013 21:33

Well done fluffy - a great start.

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Bramblesinafield · 23/04/2013 21:35

I know what you mean about that next number. I've been consistently under eleven stone now for two months for the first time in a couple of years. Great! I've plateaued for a bit but am getting on with twice a week fasting and not going bonkers on days off so hopefully will start shifting again soon. Mad busy at work which will help.

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fluffypillow · 23/04/2013 21:55

Thank you aka Smile

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Miffytastic · 23/04/2013 22:06

Dotty belated happy birthday!
And to you, ELR and others. -yeah I hear you on the staying the same / random gaining thing. Unfortunately I'm a pound more than I was 4 weeks ago :( but I feel at least i am no bigger and this week I am really trying to track on MFP and step up the exercise. I want to be under 10 stone (so that's a minimum of 5lbs to go)

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BsshBossh · 23/04/2013 22:42

Just broke my fast at 23 hours. If I'd finished eating an hour earlier at 8 or even 8.30pm last night I would have made it to the hallowed 24 hours tonight. A lesson learned. Will try a zero calorie day on Thursday.

It's a non-fast day tomorrow and I am wracking my brains on what to eat. The longer I journey along this fasting road the more it is important for me to eat clean, delicious meals on non-fast days. Anything else seems such a waste of calories. And yet each time I blow it on some junk that then leaves me bloated and full. So as I move into maintenance (soon I hope) I need to focus more on my non-fast days.

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Breadandwine · 23/04/2013 23:13

You'll get there, Bssh!

I agree about the timing of the last meal before commencing a fast - you really have to be organised. On Sunday we started serving up dinner a good hour before we normally would - by the time we'd finished eating it was 6.15, which is ideal!

Since I go to bed around 2am, this means I've already got almost 8 hours fasting under my belt.

How about this home-made pizza for a clean, delicious meal:

nobreadisanisland.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/52-diet-cheese-and-tomato-pizza.html Smile

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Itsaboatjack · 24/04/2013 00:12

Total fast day done!! Well I did have a splash of milk in my cup of tea this evening but I think at about 20 cals I can let that go. I have already decided I am going to break my fast tomorrow lunchtime ish with a trip to Itsu.

For my distraction tonight I have chosen new bedroom furniture, ordered paint samples and cleared out one wardrobe. 90% of which has been got rid of, one pile for rubbish and one big bag full for charity shop.

God I hope those blasted scales have shifted tomorrow.

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Barbie1 · 24/04/2013 07:22

Hello

Can a confused newbie join you? Confused

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Itsaboatjack · 24/04/2013 07:58

Welcome Barbie. I'll just answer quickly as I getting 2 dc ready for school.

No don't eat back exercise calories.
Eat you calories however it suits you but it is better to eat them in one go if you can so you get a long a fasting period as possible for maximum health benefits.
I prefer evenings, which I think is probably most popular on here, again up to you though.

Good luck with you first fast.

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DeckSwabber · 24/04/2013 07:59

Barbie, from what I understand the point of this way of eating is to allow the body to rest from digesting food and to give it 'repair' time, so I don't think it would work if you increased calories to compensate for extra exercise - that would miss the point (?).

My first fast day yesterday and it was great! I had porridge in the morning (180 calories), a cup of green tea (yuk!) and several glasses of water at work, and two cups of tea with milk in the evening, so well under 500 calories. I felt fine all day, though I didn't sleep all that well.

To get me through, I went for a walk at lunchtime to avoid the aroma of my colleagues food (why do people eat hot, delicious smelling food at their desks? Anti-social!), and in the evening I made my ravenous teenagers a big pasta bake and took myself off to the swimming pool for the first time in months.

Feeling smug and enjoying my breakfast.

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swallowedAfly · 24/04/2013 08:06

well done deckswabber and to all who are starting out Smile

don't dare weigh myself today. will just try and take it easy today i think. i could make it a fast day but last week by the time i got to choir practice after all the whizzing around to get home from work, sort animals and get back out again, i was feeling really sick. i will do tomorrow or friday instead and aim for a total fast given i lost nothing on my 500 fast on monday.

sky is blue again today thank goodness. not forecast to last so i'm trying to appreciate it.

happy hump day everyone by the middle of today we're half way to the weekend.

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Barbie1 · 24/04/2013 08:10

Thank you both for the information Smile

I start tomorrow, quite excited Hmm

Hope you all enjoy the sun today (if you have it)

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Dotty342kids · 24/04/2013 08:22

swallowedafly I really admire your tenacity in sticking at this when you've hit a bit of a plateau - not easy I know! Good luck with your full fast tomorrow Smile And Happy Hump Day to you too.

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BsshBossh · 24/04/2013 08:34

Well done itsaboat! Thanks for the yummy pizza recipe Breadandwine.

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swallowedAfly · 24/04/2013 08:37

thanks dotty. think we're all going through it at one time or another. i'm trying to appreciate that i now look reasonably slim in clothes and to actually appreciate where i've gotten to. trying not to think ahead to july and bikini wearing Shock still it's a while off and if needs be i'll have to work harder.

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 08:37

Good morning everyone and welcome to new starters :)

Scales read 10stone2 this morning! So that's 15 pounds lost since mid Jan when I started this WOE. Those nines really are in my sights Shock. Great fast day yesterday, salads are back on the menu with the lovely weather. I'm back to keeping off the sweet stuff but only the obvious sources now, and I feel so much better for it. I've shaken off the addiction so the odd pudding with Sunday lunch no longer triggers cravings.

Lots of nice comments from people who haven't seen me without a big winter coat on for months too Grin, gotta love the sunshine!

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Dotty342kids · 24/04/2013 08:58

That's brilliant BVB - twice what I've lost, but only in three weeks longer. Not jealous at all Wink

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 09:06

Those 3 weeks have made all the difference dotty!

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Dotty342kids · 24/04/2013 09:09

In that case I'll look forward to the next three weeks Grin

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mrschambers · 24/04/2013 09:42

Hi everyone! Just come over from the last thread!

On an eating day today..Hoorah!!!

Been doing the 5:2 since just after christmas and have lost about 7lbs which sounds good, but that was all in the first two or three weeks and since then I've pretty much stayed the same...10st 3lbs for the last few weeks. ARRRGH! just want to get below 10st.

To be fair, I've not been putting any on, which is a miracle as I usually put weight on very, VERY easily. Just wondering why it's not budging. Any thoughts?

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