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Fasting / 5:2 diet

The 5:2 Diet Thread number 18! Breaking out the summer wardrobe?

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/04/2013 10:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Southeastdweller · 23/04/2013 13:50

MrsArchchancellorRidcully and TeeBee I regularly have 90 minute cardio gym sessions on bath fast days and non-fast days. One of the many surprising things about this WOL is how energetic I feel on fast days; initially I thought I'd be virtually fainting by early evening but that's never happened.

Know what you mean about Greggs, Pep - the one in my bit of London is like how you describe - but about twice a month I enjoy having a slice of their Tottenham cake. I'm usually very fussy about food and spend a disproportionate amount of my income on it but there's something about that cake I really like...hope I haven't made anyone hungry!

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MelanieCheeks · 23/04/2013 13:52

Distractions definitely help - I like to make sure I'm doing something in the evenings of fast days.

DH's attempts to join me yesterday went awry when he added a huge slab of bacon-and-black-pudding soda bread to his Hairy Dieters harissa chicken...and then poured himself a large vodka! Oh well.

The harissa chicken was lovely, I did extra and am having another piece with salad for lunch today.

I went to Scottish dancing last night, and managed to resist the biscuits (only cos they weren't that exciting, but woohoo even so!). Came home and made a large fake Pimms (dash of angosturas and balsamic, loads of ice, top with soda water, add mint and cucumber slices to look fancy) and settled down to the end of Broadchurch.

Slept like an angel.

Woke this morning not particularly hungry - had a HUUUGE mug of tea Brew
with milk, and ran 5km with my dog before breakfast. (Which was a slice of that bacon/black pudding soda bread, toasted.. Grin
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So to answer the exercise question - I find running short-ish distances, or gentle exercise like dancing or yoga, are absolutely fine on or immediately after a fast day. But I'd hesitate to do something more than 10k without proper fuelling.

And as Tomorrowweeat says, I find the feeling the day AFTER a fast day is almost euphoric. It's worth it almost for that mood enhancing alone, never mind the weight loss!

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Dotty342kids · 23/04/2013 13:52

Oh Dear God! Got on scales this morning after the weekend's birthday excesses and am 4lbs up! Yesterday was a sort of fast - no breakfast / lunch but out for curry last night.
Proper fast today.
Not pleased at all. Hope it comes off again fairly quickly!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 23/04/2013 14:10

Dragon btw, Just thought we needed one of these in here. :)

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BsshBossh · 23/04/2013 14:57

Dotty repeat after me, "It's water, it's salt, it's water, it's salt..." You'll be fine. At least now you have the strategies in place to bring the water and sodium lbs down again :)

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SlipperyNipple · 23/04/2013 15:26

Hi all. Fasted yesterday. Made veggie chilli last night but unfortunately must have slightly undercooked the beans because after a quarter of a bowl I was being sick. That went on till 2 in the morning. I also managed to poison my husband. Don't make that mistake folks!

On a positive note can only have eaten 50 calories yesterday and so had a new low today of 215 pounds. Started at 222 6 or 7 weeks ago.

It is working.

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SlipperyNipple · 23/04/2013 15:27

I know I'll not keep at that low....but I am cheering myself up with that silver lining.

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Dotty342kids · 23/04/2013 15:58

It's water, it's salt, it's water, it's champagne, it's curry, it's cake, it's salt, it's water it's, it's salt Grin
Thanks BssBossh

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Chipstick10 · 23/04/2013 16:06

Omg I'm back here to moan again. Sorry ladies. I read on here a lot that many of you feel mega energetic on fast days. What!!! I am the complete opposite. I'm cold always on fast days, really cold and just want to sit and huddle. I do my housework and that's about my lot. Is this normal?

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swallowedAfly · 23/04/2013 16:25

afternoon Smile

well this morning's weigh in showed absolute zero change despite having fasted yesterday (i did have my 500cal in the end). ho bloody hum.

haven't eaten yet today - don't tend to be a daytime eater anyway a lot of the time - but am having a glass of wine to recover from chicken related stress. let them free range in my garden today whilst i was at work for the first time. garden is secure enough for the chickens i used to have last time so thought they'd be fine and it's a sunny bright day so all the geriatrics would be out all day gleefully using their electric garden gadgets for the first time so it would be a ridiculously brazen fox who came around.

came home to a missing chicken and one very lonely looking chicken sitting in it's house. cue assuming the worst, searching the garden, feeling terrible etc. sadly told ds the news when i picked him up and got myself ready to have to go and buy another one (lone chickens can literally die of loneliness so no choice) then hear ds screaming and dogs barking to announce the chicken has reappeared in next doors garden. went and retrieved her and put her in house and a lady from 3 doors down on the other side appears at the gate having heard the commotion to tell me that the other one had been in her garden that morning and she'd brought it back and put it in the house.

very, very relieved and realising that clearly the girl in the garden centre who clipped their wings for me really didn't know what she was doing Grin

that is a lot of drama and emotion in an hour and a half after a day at work.

sorry - not sure why i'm telling you all about my chicken drama!

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swallowedAfly · 23/04/2013 16:29

i really fancy a takeaway which i'm attributing to the glass of wine i have in my hand. may reign myself in and have a big bowl of pasta pesto instead which really should be comfort enough. kind of drooling over the idea of chinese though! help! (if i did i could do a zero fast thursday into friday to atone)

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headintheclouds · 23/04/2013 16:38

dotty welcome back after your birthday weekend. At least you enjoyed your birthday,thats the main thing!
I also put on a little this weigh in and I cannot fathom why. I was hoping to be back to my pre Easter blip weight of 10 .7 but it hasnt happened yet... I wish it was champagne and cake that caused mine Grin.

Ive been the same or up for 3 weeks now and its getting annoying.. Has anyone else had this ? I know plenty of people plateau for a bit,but I thought after 12 weeks of this WOE id got it sussed. Ive still got plenty of weight to lose so its not that Im small. I track on MFP so I know Im not going over my TDEE on eat days. I know that we are all different but I so Envy those people who seem to lose every week and lose fairly quickly..After 12 weeks Ive lost 7.5 lbs , was hoping for more!!

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Itsaboatjack · 23/04/2013 16:55

Good point on the drinking BsshBossh. I'm very good at drinking lots during the day but do seem to forget about it in the evening. When I do finally sit down tonight it will be after walking about 4 miles taking and collecting dc from various things so that may be enough for me. I have however come up with another distraction, I have talked dh into letting me redecorate our bedroom so I shall be doing lots of online research of colour schemes and furniture etc.

TeeBee like others I usually exercise on fast days with no ill affects. Last week I ran a half marathon in a fasted state, I didn't actually mean to but I forgot to have breakfast and then ran out of time.

Glad your day is going better today aka

Sorry *saf but I am chuckling at your escaping chickens. My parents used to keep chickens so I know what they are like.

headintheclouds I've been bouncing up and down around the same for about 4 weeks now, I know from hearing others stories on here it'll get going again it time. Whilst I am frustrated, I'm not overly concerned - yet.

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Itsaboatjack · 23/04/2013 16:57

I nearly forgot to say Happy Birthday Dotty it sounds like it was a good one, and you know those cheeky few lbs will come off again very soon.

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virginposter · 23/04/2013 17:22

Hey greeneggs thanks for new thread and for the Dragon very Game of Thrones Smile

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Dotty342kids · 23/04/2013 17:36

itsaboatjack and headintheclouds thanks for birthday wishes / moral support etc. I've been doing it pretty much the same length of time as headintheclouds and have been more or less the same for about 4-5 weeks. However I still feel good, am still looking better than I was before I started, my clothes are still fitting nicely instead of being uncomfortably tight and I'm STILL committed to this thing. It's driving me mad as I know I'm way, way off a healthy BMI etc but I'm sure it'll all move in the right direction again soon.
For me. And you. And all of us Smile

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vieenrose · 23/04/2013 17:45

Hello
I just wanted to post my results. This WOE is doing wonders for me and I'm finding most fasts not too exacting. In fact, I enjoy some of them. I started doing 5:2 on Jan 11 as well as working out for the first time of my life about three times a week. The scales showed today I have lost exactly 20 pounds. I only weigh myself every six weeks at the gym so as not to get discouraged by the bounces. Anyway, I'm right chuffed. I've never been so "light" since having DS1 9 years ago (I reckon I've still got a stone to lose). As I'm 46 years old, I really thought my slim days were well and truly over but now, I can picture myself in those size 42 jeans in a not too distant future.

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ELR · 23/04/2013 18:18

Hi all, Dotty glad you had such a fab birthday.
saf at least you have maintained and are now well and truly in the 10's.

I fasted yesterday and got weighed this morning to find I have gained 2lbs! I have maintained after a fast before but never gained so i am not pleased. Although I do feel slimmer so prob just water/salt, even though i know this its still disappointing!
Just been to a yoga class with the kids and the yoga teacher let me join in so just had an unexpected work out!
vienrose that's a fantastic loss well done.

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swallowedAfly · 23/04/2013 18:29

well let's hope so elr. have had fish and chips tonight (though that's all i've had all day) and have some maltesers lined up for when ds is in bed. wouldn't be too surprised if the scales said 11 again tomorrow.

with the two pound weight gain i think it can be a delayed effect so eating over the weekend say showing up on the tuesday - god knows really. reality is it seems to be able to swing back down as swiftly as it goes up so best not to take it too personally.

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projectbabyweight · 23/04/2013 18:29

Hi, I'm new here. I've read the 5:2 book and am really keen to try it. I've got 18lbs to lose (gained during 2 pregnancies).

I'm worried to start 5:2 though because ds2 still wakes in the night, and if I'm hungry I can't get back to sleep. So, experienced people, do you reckon if I saved all my fasting cals for the evening, I'd be full enough overnight?

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Dotty342kids · 23/04/2013 18:47

vieenrose that's a great acheivement and it must feel so brilliant to see large losses like that when you do weigh in. You're going to look fab in those jeans!

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vieenrose · 23/04/2013 19:34

Thank you for your support and thank you everyone for this fantastic thread that has proved a life line on many a fast day

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BsshBossh · 23/04/2013 19:40

vie that's a terrific loss and it's amazing you can wait so long between weigh ins. Last year I only weighed sporadically - a month here, two months there. For me it really helped me from getting disappointed by the inevitable stalls and gains and helped me stick to my weight loss programme. For some reason this year I'm a weekly weigher but it's actually been fine because I'm so close to my target weight now.

project I save all my fast day cals to 9pm because I like going to bed on a full stomach and DH's work means we eat dinner late every weekday. If you can last out all day then do this.

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vieenrose · 23/04/2013 19:58

Thx BsshBossh. I'm too scared of bouncing and of getting disheartened. But I measure myself every 10 days or so and I've always seen a cm off here or there, so I suppose that's where I get my encouragement. That and being able to wear those clothes that have been confined to the back of my wardrobe for all these years.
Maybe when I'm closer to target will I summon the courage to weigh in once a week

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monster54 · 23/04/2013 20:11

Does anyone else find themselves day dreaming about dropping in to the next number?

I keep imagining the euphoria I will feel seeing a 10!!! Didn't stop me eating a kitkat though....oppps...I am on an eat day and its TOM!!!

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