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Fasting / 5:2 diet

The 5:2 Diet Thread number 18! Breaking out the summer wardrobe?

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/04/2013 10:51

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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postmanpatscat · 24/04/2013 10:43

Morning all :)

Second fast of the week for me.

mrschambers, if you think you could do it, a no-food fast (full 36 hours) is helping some of us to kickstart things. On a 500 cal fast day, I often stay the same or lose only 100g. One fast in four I don't eat at all, and that's when I lose at least 1lb and it stays gone. At least you're not gaining though, and if you're measuring you might notice a change of shape.

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 10:43

Doing a massive clothes clear out - have tried on everything I've been saving for who knows what reason for the past, ahem, decade+. Everything from my slim(ish) 20s is too big (having been too small since having DCs). Was keeping a whole bunch of nicer stuff to ebay but actually it's all going to the charity shop. I've had some amazing charity shop buys lately so it seems right to furnish their coffers rather than ebay's and paypal's.

mrschambers Are you eating to your tdee on eat days? How much exercise do you do? What's your height?

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postmanpatscat · 24/04/2013 10:43

And well done bvb - 9st something here you come!

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 10:51

Postmanpats hehee thanks - it might be some time, I'd been bouncing around 10st4 for weeks and I suspect it was only the getting ill that properly shifted a couple more! However, 2 summers ago I went up to 13 stone 5 and at that point never ever thought in a million years I'd be where I am now Grin.

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ELR · 24/04/2013 10:57

Hi all, bvb feels good doesn't it when everything is too big! I'm heading for the 9 's too at some point was down to 10.3.5 on Friday but am now up to 10.6.25 which is really annoying must be water though as had been maintaining 10.5 for the last three weeks. Going to be really strict on my eating day today and have a lower cal day than tdee then fast tomorrow as usual. Good luck everyone who's fastin today.

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melodyangel · 24/04/2013 11:48

Wow some fantastic losses well done!

These threads go so quickly I can't keep up!

Fast day here today going well but need to skip the milk in tea for breakfast.

It's good to hear I'm not the only one to get really cold on fast days. Finally the scales have started moving down although I think I will have bounced back up after a takeaway curry at the weekend. I was within 1lb of my first goal of nine and a half stone. Looking forward to getting there and setting a new target.

DH is continuing to do amazingly. He has lost over 21lbs since Feb this year, so proud of him. For the first time in years his mates came over and there was no jokes about his weight.

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Farewelltoarms · 24/04/2013 11:50

I've now done three fasts. I was a bit depressed on Monday that I'd only lost 1lb in the first week (having sneakily weighed myself mid-week and I'd taken three and a half off). I realise that stuffing my face with after-dinner mints at a friend's supper was not a good idea even if it's a non-fasting day.
Anyway feeling a bit more cheerful. Did Monday fast, fine, even had lunch out with friends (ate sashimi and told waitress not to bring the rice). Stuffed myself yesterday. Weighed myself this morning and I'm now back to what I was at lowest last week. I realise that I've got to see it as a downward trend rather than what scales say on any individual day.
I'm now 10.10. First goal is into single digit in number of lbs after 10. Then the big goal is single-digit stone by the summer.

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melodyangel · 24/04/2013 12:01

Farewelltoarms - Well done on your first three fasts. I found it really difficult to get the weight moving at the start. It is hard when you hear people reporting big losses but the weight will go, it is just slower for some. I just keep telling myself that slow and steady is the way forward and I will reach my goal weight eventually.

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AlottaReading · 24/04/2013 12:12

Can I join you all? I started fasting last Tuesday and just did my 3rd fast yesterday. I'm finding fasting on Tuesdays and Fridays work for me.
The most surprising thing for me so far is how great I feel the day after a fast, I really thought I'd wake up starving and then binge but that hasn't happened I've just eaten regular meals.
Yesterday was my first blip I was starving in the evening but I think it was my own fault as didn't plan what I was eating well enough, so I ended up up having around 600 or slightly more calories. Fridays are easier as I work a late shift and don't have time to be hungry and make sure I only drink water in my break.
Not weighed myself yet but definitely feel like it's working right now

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greenfig · 24/04/2013 12:53

Great news bvb
Keep smiling elr you are going to get there!
Fast day here for me today & I need it after 2 days socialising!

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Farewelltoarms · 24/04/2013 13:05

Thanks Melody. That's interesting that you found weight loss slow at beginning. I was a bit surprised because usually when I go on a diet I lose about 4 or 5 in the first week (esp if low carbing). However, that's unsustainable and I suppose one pound a week every week for two and a half months would see me there. I do think fasting two days is easier than dieting every day psychologically. I knew I could have a hot cross bun for breakfast yesterday and it made such a difference.

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BsshBossh · 24/04/2013 13:28

Zero calorie 36 hour fasters there's a brilliant thread on the 5:2 Fast Diet forum with quite a few doing this:
www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3814
Please join in :)

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BsshBossh · 24/04/2013 13:40

I am not a vegan (far from it) but in my quest to find clean, healthy "fast foods" that I can eat on the run whilst working I've discovered Laura's Idea - a pre-packaged range of vegan goodies from quinoa salads to a most devine non-dairy rice pudding. Oh yes, and incredibly low calorie. Sample lunch today:

260g quinoa salad 296 cals (with red kidney beans, loads of raw veg, sweetcorn and more)
260g non-dairy rice pudding 315 cals (to die for!)

I bought mine in Budgens but have also seen them in health food stores.

Highly recommended.

www.laurasidea.com/food/index.php

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DesperateDietingHousewife · 24/04/2013 14:08

Hi all! May I join you? Have been lurking for a while and finding the thread very interesting and helpful reading!

I started two weeks ago and have gone from 10st 3 down 3lbs to 10stone which I'm pleased with. I know that my loss may slow down though from reading through some of your posts.

I am fasting 2 days a week for 36 hours and so far have completed 4 fasts spreading my 500 calories over lunch and dinnertime. On my last fast, I managed to get to 4pm before having a cup a soup and slice of nimble bread and then dinner at 6pm. I'm keen to go the 36 hours without food, so I'm going to try it tomorrow. I wondered if cup a soup, coffee with milk (just cannot drink it black!) and options hot choc is recognised as "food" by the body? Not sure I could manage a whole 36 hours without these!

One thing I struggle with though is not hunger, just generally feeling a bit weak during a fast. I'm not bothered by tumble rumbles, I just hate feeling kind of dizzy and weak. I've also had an all day headache twice the day after a fast day. I'm sure I'm hydrated enough-anymore I would be constantly going to the loo! I drink 2 litres of water, a couple of cups of coffee and green tea during the day.

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wonderingagain · 24/04/2013 14:15

It was my first day yesterday. I had 2 frankfurters 300 cals in home made squash soup 100 cals plus 150ml whole milk 100 cals for coffees. I waited until 6.30 to eat. I don't do snacks as they lure me into temptation.

Lost 5lb!

And I wasmt hungry this morning.

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wonderingagain · 24/04/2013 14:30

I should add that I was 13.12 yesterday morning and now 13.5. I am 5'7. I want to get down to 10.7 or a size 14. Size 12 would be lovely but not essential.

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monster54 · 24/04/2013 16:12

Good fast today!

I've had no calories apart from 3 cups of tea. Home soon....

I fancy a lovely great big salad but means dragging DD round the shops! Will see what mood she's in.

This is the first fast (I am in week 9) that I have gone all day without any food! I usually have to eat a small something at lunch! Yey me!!!!!

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SaltyandSweet · 24/04/2013 16:30

Fasted yesterday, weighed in today, still at 76kg, same as last week. Got two more fasts this week so hope it shifts a little by next week.

Appetite definitely decreased and definitely a huge increase in willpower too! Made chocolate chip cookies at the insistence of my 4 year old - and feel no urge to have one, to have half of one or even to pop little bits that fall off as I put them in the cookie jar into my mouth. This level of willpower is UNHEARD of for me! I am amazed Grin

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 17:01

Hello Alotta, wandering and Desperate welcome and well done - sounds like you're doing brilliantly already. Desperate you might still not be drinking enough or it could be that you're just getting used to it - I think a lot of us have experiened odd side effects during the first 3 weeks or so which gradually disappeared once our bodies were used to the regime. I think cup a soups do count as 'food' and you should make sure you're including the calories of all your drinks in your allowance. You'd be better off maybe having a boiled egg when you're struggling. Also you're doing long fasts already - most of us build up to those (not me, I usually eat after 18 hours!) so it could be that. I always try and make my calories as nutritious as possible so as not to 'waste' them - so lots of salad, veg, a little protein and some berries.

Bsssh They look fab, good tip!

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DesperateDietingHousewife · 24/04/2013 17:48

Hi Betsy, and thanks for your welcome! I'll try and up my liquid intake and see if that helps.

I haven't actually tried a 36 hour fast with no solids yet, the longest I have gone is about 18 hours. I'm going to see how long I can go tomorrow but won't be to worried if I cave in and have dinner. I'm actually amazed that I can do the fasting at all-I never thought I could be a person that could go without food but it's amazing how strong you feel when you know you can eat the next day!

I have def been including cup a soups and hot choc into my calorie allowance, I was just wondering if your body recognised them as "food" ie solids IYSWIM as I would try and leave them out tomorrow if so.

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Bramblesinafield · 24/04/2013 18:34

Hello everyone and newbies. It is great feeling slimmer and finding clothes look better. I've plateaued for a few weeks after initial loss, but have had a hol and not gained,which is good.

My next aim is to get under the 10lb part of the lbs. don't think I'm going for single digit stones,but would be happy around 10 4-8 then maintain.

Then there's toning ...

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Jesselldan · 24/04/2013 18:37

Hi everyone!
Just started, any tips please?

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mrschambers · 24/04/2013 19:06

bvb I haven't been doing much exercise but I have a really active job, so that helps a bit. To be totally honest, I probably eat a little too much on my non fast days. I think I've got a bit carried away with being able to eat all the food I love without thinking too much about it. And, in a way, it works because I'm not putting any on I guess...

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frenchfancy · 24/04/2013 20:04

Hi jessel. I suggest you read the links and tips thread (see op for link), then if you have any specific questions just askSmile

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BetsyVanBell · 24/04/2013 20:19

mrschambers Well, sounds like you answered your own question really! Wink I'm the same - if I'm not mindful of my eating on most of my eating days and I'm not doing extra exercise beyond my usual active lifestyle then I will maintain... but if I want to lose I know I have to step it up a notch (eg, cut out booze or sugar, avoid carbs, throw in a couple of decent exercise sessions).

I do sometimes have to remind myself the fact I'm not putting weight on anymore is amazing - and I do pile it on so very easily without 5:2. :)

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