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Hierarchy of Fat Loss: how to prioritise your time and effort.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 06:58

I see countless threads on mumsnet where women talk about wanting to "tone up" and lose weight in which they discuss maybe taking up jogging or taking a class. Or asking which treadmill or elliptical to buy. It really frustrates me and makes me sad because I know that so many people are mostly clueless about fitness and weight loss.

There are many thousands of people grinding away on treadmills, taking "bums and tums" classes, etc. Most of them don't lose much weight. Quite a few lose none.

There are things that do a lot, and there are things that do relatively little, to help you lose body fat. Most of us have other stuff to do in life and so even carving out three hours a week can be a challenge. You need to know which activities are the best use of your time.

In order of efficacy and importance, here are the things that you can do.

  1. Diet. Nothing is more important. You cannot lose fat unless you eat fewer calories than you burn. You can improve strength and endurance and feel great, but you won't lose fat. Most people need to count calories to eat fewer calories but some have success with cutting out carbs, booze, intermittent fasting, etc. These are just ways of cutting calories.


  1. Weight training. Lifting weights, whether by machines or barbells kettle bells. This burns calories and triggers your body to preserve muscle mass while letting go of fat. Without this, step one will result in losing both fat and muscle. People who diet + lift lose more fat than those who diet + jog. The weights have to be heavy. If you can buy them at TK Maxx, they're too light.


  1. Sprinting, aka anaerobic interval training aka tabata. Incredibly intense running or cycling at a level so high that you can just barely do it for 20 seconds (you're miserable at 15 seconds and collapsing at 20). Work for 20 seconds, rest for 10-20 seconds. Repeat about 8 times, a few times a week. This burns calories for up to 36 hours after you quit. It literally raises your metabolism.


  1. Aerobic Intense Interval Training. Like above only at a level where you can sustain it for two to three minutes. You're gasping for breath and your heart is pounding. Work for 2 minutes, rest for 1-2 minutes and repeat 6-10 times. This also has an "afterburn" effect on the metabolism.


  1. Higher intensity steady state aerobic training. This is a brisk pace that you can stand for 20 or 30 minutes. You're breathing heavily through your mouth. Feels nice and you you get sweaty but you don't burn many calories. Once you stop and your heart rate returns to normal, you cease burning extra calories.


  1. Low intensity steady state cardio. This is walking. It has negligible effects on fat loss.


This is all explained in more depth, with links to the science to back it up in this fantastic article:

www.t-nation.com/training/hierarchy-of-fat-loss

I am losing weight rapidly and toning the hell out of my body with 1, 2,and 4. I know that 3 (tabata) is more efficient than my HIIT circuits but I am a wimp. Grin

These things aren't easy. They require commitment and you may have to learn new things. It's possible, but not easy, to do it at home with the use of books, YouTube videos and weights bought at home. Even joining a gym only gets you so far if you're clueless about the equipment. But I think it's worth it. Once you have overcome your fears and learned how to exercise properly, you'll be set for life.
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Alice212 · 05/03/2017 19:07

Cind I had the same experience at a different brand gym twenty years ago.
I went to the front desk after and said if they wanted my membership they'd have to give me that free session again with someone different, preferably a woman who lifted weights, but essentially someone who was t going to talk shit about "what most women do".

They did. The first guy who showed me round was just an idiot. If that gym suits you and has the equipment you need, it might be fine.

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 05/03/2017 19:32

Thanks for starting this thread OP.
I agree weights are great and a very efficient use of time.
I'm very lucky to have a super cheap community gym right on my doorstep. I'm currently doing weights around 3 times a week and I've noticed some muscle development as well as much better posture.
I'm pretty much the only woman down their using the free weights though, which is a shame. You do see a lot of women doing relatively low intensity cardio for just ages and ages and I always think its such an inefficient use of their time. I've been trying to encourage more women to have a go!
It shouldn't be intimidating to work out your maximum and do a few reps at 80% of that. You don't have start with anything too scary.
I also hate the "pink weights" phenomenon.

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 05/03/2017 19:33

I didn't even know mumsnet had a weights room! I'm off to check it out now

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 20:10

Some things about weights still intimidate me.

My shoulders are tight so I'm working on them with yoga because I want to do barbell squats (I'm outgrowing my ability to get a Dumbell up for goblet squats). Not only do my tight shoulders put me off trying to back squat, I struggle with the wire clips to hold the plates. It's not an issue with deadlifts, so that's the only barbell exercise I do.

Anyway, I am doing yoga and other exercises for the shoulders. And I have bought these plate clips that look more like bracelets. They snap on and don't require squeezing.

I'm plateauing on strength, now, and just trying to maintain whilst losing weight. But very soon I'll be ready to eat at a bit over maintenance and build. I'm going to pay a trainer at my home gym to teach me the main compound lifts and coach my form so that I can do one of those beginner programs like Strong Lifts or Starting Strength.

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Alice212 · 05/03/2017 22:19

OP do you work in a desk job?
It sounds weird but just shaking out your hands from the wrists can help with the shoulder thing if it's about a lot f keyboard work.

I also do low intensity cardio at the gym for relaxation so I wouldn't assume anyone's doing it to lose weight. It's just a good stretch of time on the treadmill with music on is a good destresser, lifting weights requires concentration! Well it does for me.

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 06/03/2017 09:26

justgettignstarted I'm also at the stage of moving from goblet squats to barbell squats.
I was inspired by this thread to shift up a gear from the "beginners" routine I've been doing for almost a year to an intermediate plan I've found on Bodybuilder.com. This plan requires barbell squats (amongst other new things!).
I also struggle with the wire clips. Is there a reason why I can't use the old fashioned screw on nuts for a barbell squat?

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JustGettingStarted · 06/03/2017 11:23

unlimited I think it's down to the type of barbell. Gyms generally have Olympic barbells, so they don't use screws. I think you can buy them with threads and screws, though. I have some at home from decathlon. If you're doing that at home, you'll need a squat rack as well.

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FanSpamTastic · 06/03/2017 12:35

Thank you - this is really interesting. I am trying to lose weight and plateauing at the moment!

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 06/03/2017 12:54

Thanks JustGettingStarted
My gym has one old fashioned screw barbell so I'll just keep using that with the squat rack.

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SlightlyTired · 07/03/2017 01:26

Totally agree, OP. I am an ex cardio junkie turned weights evangelist. I still do some LISS cardio but I mainly do 20-30 minutes with weights that challenge me, around 5 times a week. I keep my routines varied. my body has completely changed and I feel amazing for it. I hope this thread inspires others to give it a go. So many threads on these boards are about cardio - particularly running - and for me that is just such an inefficient use of time.

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Want2bSupermum · 07/03/2017 01:39

This is interesting about the walking. I have gained so much weight during my pregnancies and now I have to shift it. I am struggling with getting it off. I am now at the point where I am skipping one meal a day in an effort to keep my calorie count to below 1500 (working stupid hours so no time to prepare my own food).

Exercise is not happening either although I walk a lot. Walking does nothing for me at all. I should have time next week to start working out and I am going to look at weights plus the weight-loss circuit at my gym which is 80% weights.

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KoalaDownUnder · 07/03/2017 03:20

I walk an hour a day, every day, with my dog.

I don't even 'count' this in my exercise tally. It's just part of a non-sedentary lifestyle. To me, exercise is loading up weights and going as hard & heavy as I can.

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absolutelynotfabulous · 07/03/2017 07:41

I walk 10000 steps (an hour and a bit) too and I agree it's "activity" rather than exercise.

You lot who do weights: do you go to a gym or work out at home?

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Alice212 · 07/03/2017 09:56

Just a word of warning - I found I got really hungry when I first started with heavy weights. If you don't already have protein shakes in your day you might want to add one.

I appreciate everyone's different though.

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Lalsy · 07/03/2017 11:14

Do people think that having a separate weights room topics means that when the uninitiated look at the Exercise topics, they don't see the full range of what women do? Just wondering what the reasoning was.

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 12:11

I haven't looked at the weight room in a long time. It wasn't very busy.

I don't think it should be separate. Someone thinking "I ought to get more exercise... Let's see what's going on over here..." will get the idea that "exercise" is primarily running and working out to dvd's like 30 Day Shred.

Weight lifting is, for most people, the most valuable use of exercise time.

Not only is it the most efficient fat burner, it also crucial for preventing the inevitable loss of muscle and strength that starts around age 40.

We have an aging population and the market for stair lifts, chairs that lift to aid in standing, zimmer frames, etc, is booming. Falling is a real concern and the leading cause of injury in the elderly. Lifting heavy weights is the best way to prevent that. And, provided a basic level of mobility, it's never too late to start.

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 12:18

absolutelynotfabulous I go to the gym. It would be difficult for me to get sufficient space and equipment to train the way I would like at home.

I am lucky enough to be self employed. I have also discovered that quitting drinking has given me a lot of free time and money. Grin

I go early in the morning when I am working, mid morning on days off. If I don't, I will lose motivation. Or things will pop up and steal my time. And it's also much less crowded in the morning. 5pm is usually a madhouse at the gym.

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 07/03/2017 13:06

I go to the Gym.
Actually its more of a room with weights in, in my local community centre.
There's a great old guy who I think might have been a big shout in bodybuilding in his younger days. He donated pretty much all his equipment and is spending his retirement hanging out showing us stuff.
It costs me £25 a year and is literally one street away. I can see it from my house!
I pop in between the kids teatime and their bedtime routine.
I'm very lucky Grin

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Lalsy · 07/03/2017 13:21

I go to the gym. I used to do cardio machines and a bit of weights machines. Then I got more into the weights machines. Now I do short, small-group classes that are various mixes but all with a lot of resistance/strength/weights. I like just doing what I am told and not having to think (only when it comes to exercise!).

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KatharinaRosalie · 07/03/2017 14:49

When's your Bodypump class, Just? I'd love to hear what you think.

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 17:38

I think it's Tuesday. I am not 100% sure I'll do it. Normally, on Tuesday I do weights for upper body, followed by 20 minutes of my cardio circuits (in which I play with kettle bells, medicine balls, battle ropes and light barbells). I don't know if I will be too exhausted after the weights for Body Pump. I could cut back on the weights, doing only one exercise each for chest, back and shoulders. (normally I do 2 each, so six total each for three sets of 8-12 reps.)

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SlightlyTired · 08/03/2017 02:12

absolutely, I work out at home with a set of power block weights (very easy to adjust - no unscrewing of bits and pieces) and usually use various fitness blender routines. Love them. I'm stuck in a hotel at the moment though, and doing body weight stuff in my room rather than go to the gym as I know it will be full of my colleagues!
lalsy definitely! It's such a shame - I really want to tell all those people slogging it out around their local park or doing 30 day shred yet again that there is a better way!!!

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 07:53

Thanks, slightly.
Another question: is there a way of walking using weights at the same time? I've got some ankle/wrist weights but all they seem to do is drag me down ikwim.

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SlightlyTired · 08/03/2017 12:30

absolutely you can buy weighted vests, which might be a better option than weights on your extremities - probably also better for core/posture, though I've never tried it.

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 15:42

Weighted vests! Whatever next heads to Google.

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