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Hierarchy of Fat Loss: how to prioritise your time and effort.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 06:58

I see countless threads on mumsnet where women talk about wanting to "tone up" and lose weight in which they discuss maybe taking up jogging or taking a class. Or asking which treadmill or elliptical to buy. It really frustrates me and makes me sad because I know that so many people are mostly clueless about fitness and weight loss.

There are many thousands of people grinding away on treadmills, taking "bums and tums" classes, etc. Most of them don't lose much weight. Quite a few lose none.

There are things that do a lot, and there are things that do relatively little, to help you lose body fat. Most of us have other stuff to do in life and so even carving out three hours a week can be a challenge. You need to know which activities are the best use of your time.

In order of efficacy and importance, here are the things that you can do.

  1. Diet. Nothing is more important. You cannot lose fat unless you eat fewer calories than you burn. You can improve strength and endurance and feel great, but you won't lose fat. Most people need to count calories to eat fewer calories but some have success with cutting out carbs, booze, intermittent fasting, etc. These are just ways of cutting calories.


  1. Weight training. Lifting weights, whether by machines or barbells kettle bells. This burns calories and triggers your body to preserve muscle mass while letting go of fat. Without this, step one will result in losing both fat and muscle. People who diet + lift lose more fat than those who diet + jog. The weights have to be heavy. If you can buy them at TK Maxx, they're too light.


  1. Sprinting, aka anaerobic interval training aka tabata. Incredibly intense running or cycling at a level so high that you can just barely do it for 20 seconds (you're miserable at 15 seconds and collapsing at 20). Work for 20 seconds, rest for 10-20 seconds. Repeat about 8 times, a few times a week. This burns calories for up to 36 hours after you quit. It literally raises your metabolism.


  1. Aerobic Intense Interval Training. Like above only at a level where you can sustain it for two to three minutes. You're gasping for breath and your heart is pounding. Work for 2 minutes, rest for 1-2 minutes and repeat 6-10 times. This also has an "afterburn" effect on the metabolism.


  1. Higher intensity steady state aerobic training. This is a brisk pace that you can stand for 20 or 30 minutes. You're breathing heavily through your mouth. Feels nice and you you get sweaty but you don't burn many calories. Once you stop and your heart rate returns to normal, you cease burning extra calories.


  1. Low intensity steady state cardio. This is walking. It has negligible effects on fat loss.


This is all explained in more depth, with links to the science to back it up in this fantastic article:

www.t-nation.com/training/hierarchy-of-fat-loss

I am losing weight rapidly and toning the hell out of my body with 1, 2,and 4. I know that 3 (tabata) is more efficient than my HIIT circuits but I am a wimp. Grin

These things aren't easy. They require commitment and you may have to learn new things. It's possible, but not easy, to do it at home with the use of books, YouTube videos and weights bought at home. Even joining a gym only gets you so far if you're clueless about the equipment. But I think it's worth it. Once you have overcome your fears and learned how to exercise properly, you'll be set for life.
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KatharinaRosalie · 05/03/2017 11:17

In principle this is a good article and I always keep harping on about weights, but just a couple of things I'd like to mention

1 - yes the traditional advice is that you must lift heavy, 10-12 reps max, otherwise it won't do anything. But there's an interesting study from last year showing that lighter weights for more reps is just as effective.

One group was assigned to follow the standard regimen, in which weights were set at between 75 and 90 percent of the man’s one-repetition maximum and the volunteer lifted until he could not lift again, usually after about 10 repetitions.

The other volunteers began the lighter routine. Their weights were set at between 30 and 50 percent of each man’s one-repetition maximum, and he lifted them as many as 25 times, until the muscles were exhausted.

The results were unequivocal. There were no significant differences between the two groups. All of the men had gained muscle strength and size, and these gains were almost identical, whether they had lifted heavy or light weights.


2 - there was also a recent study (which I can't find at the moment) which found that not all people react the same. They had a steady exercise group and HIIT group, and in both of them there were people who were not getting the expected benefits - but who benefitted from the other group's exercises. So it's not always 'one size fits all' and if you have been doing something but not getting similar results as other people, it might be a good idea to consider alternative options.

3 -And as for the moderate/low intensity cardio training not doing anything, I will go out for a little run later, 16-18 km planned for today. This burns at least a 1000 kcal. I mostly do it to get some fresh air and clear my head, but it's still -1000 kcal, I would not call it nothing and totally useless

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Cindbelly · 05/03/2017 11:24

Hi op I think I understand,
I went to join nuffield health last week. Went along all ready to join and met with the guy who gives the info out. We discussed what I wanted to use the gym for, and I was honest, I already walk roughly 2/3 miles a day school run then onto work, would be walking to the gym and home (it's not a long walk) but time is precious because of the DC so would be able to do 1 swim session a week, one body conditioning class, and 1 weight lifting session at the gym.
Was instantly told women don't really use the weights area, and they don't have any 'women friendly weights' but not to worrry they've got lots of treadmills, cross trainers etc I could have access to instead of weight lifting.

Needless to say I didn't join. Hmm

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KatharinaRosalie · 05/03/2017 11:28

and they don't have any 'women friendly weights' - what is that, a weight that will open the door for you? Won't give a running sexist commentary while you're working out?

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Cindbelly · 05/03/2017 11:38

I know katharina I just mentally switched off after that.
Most annoying as that is the only local gym I could have attended without using the car for work to travel there after, meaning if I go to a different one I will be doing less walking 3 days a week, and it's a lot of money too but I can't hand my money over to them every month now.
It could have been a reflection on me and what he thought I was capable of. I'm still roughly 2 stone over my target weight but only just above Bmi.

Either way, I wanted to tone up and be strong, not chat to the weights about shoes

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 11:41

In my experience, the most "women friendly" gyms are the ones used by the serious, burly heavy lifting guys. The higher the ratio of squat and bench racks to treadmills, the better.

In body building/powerlifting gyms, everyone is paying attention to their own workouts and not bothered with other people. There's usually a better level of gym etiquette, as well, with people putting weights back, not hogging equipment, etc.

And the people who take it seriously are often very willing to be helpful if you ask.

I have to travel a lot and researching good gyms to work out in can be tough. Questions like "how high do your dumbells go?" and "how many squat racks do you have?" can be very illuminating. I don't need anything over 32kg and I don't even do barbell squats, but it certainly gives you a good indication of the sort of gym it is.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 11:43

I see a lot more women lifting in those sorts of gyms.

Hip thrusts all over the place. Grin

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 11:49

Katharina I agree that LISS is worthwhile. (Hell, I think yoga is worthwhile!)

But not everyone has the time to run 18k.

Some people believe that such amounts of LISS are cpunterproduxt to strength and power. I guess competitive power lifters would find it detrimental to their performance.

But I personally want to be well-rounded. I'll be adding a couple of long hill walks a month when the weather improves.

When I lived in Argyll, there simply were no gyms available. Just swimmingly in Lochgilphead. So I ran and climbed hills. It did wonders for my mental health.

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disappearingfish · 05/03/2017 11:51

Agreed with you 1000% OP. I was about 1-2 stone overweight for most of my life.

Started taking my (already pretty good) diet seriously and got a personal trainer. I'm a stone lighter (which is probably 2 stone of fat since I can now squat 60kg, deadlift 90kg and bench press 40kg. I'm 43, 5'2" and naturally very lazy.Grin

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 11:51

cindbelly don't let that guy put you off. He's just a salesman.

I'm sure they have the equipment you need.

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Cindbelly · 05/03/2017 11:59

Too late just £66 a month is too much money for 4 classes and 4 swimming sessions.
I would always feel awkward if I ventured into the weights area now and I've no interest in the treadmill when I can actually run outside for free!

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SnipSnipMrBurgess · 05/03/2017 11:59

See I know what you and others say is right. And this is not an excuse but I have arthritis. I cant run, or cycle and I can usually walk up to 20 mins at a time. My elbows are locked so I can't lift weights and my hip bone socket is worn away so I can't do anything that pushes at the was. I live rurally and an unable to drive so can't go to the pool that is 30 miles away.

So how do I do it? The want and will to do it is there but my body let's me down every time

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SnipSnipMrBurgess · 05/03/2017 11:59

Actually that might be another thread rather than hijacking yours sorry

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 12:56

It would be a fantastic thread!

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absolutelynotfabulous · 05/03/2017 13:15

I can lose weight ok and I do lots of walking which keeps things in check. I'm still a bit overweight I think but I'd love to be more toned. I'm 57, and apparently older women need fewer calories as they lose muscle.

I'd love to do weights but I have no idea where to begin either. I don't want to look a dick in the gym.

Any oldies out there?

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 14:31

You won't look like a dick in the gym. Promise.

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Lalsy · 05/03/2017 15:13

Absolutely, I am 50 and do intense 30 minute small-group classes at my gym, a mixture of cardio (intervals) and weights and burpees etc (shudder). Is really having an impact. One of my classes has a 78 year old in - she just uses lighter weights and they adapt some of the exercises because she has arthritis. I assumed these classes would be men or younger women but in fact they are full of women of all ages grunting and sweating away together. The instructors are really encouraging if you are a bit older or new to it and cheer you on. If you belong to a gym, try doing a bit of peeking at the different classes, you may be surprised. Lots of women use the free weights and weight machines at my gym too.

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KoalaDownUnder · 05/03/2017 15:22

I bang this drum on every thread on this topic, but - if you're intimidated by the free weights area (which I am a bit), look for a gym with Body Pump classes. They're magic.

I also agree with you, OP.

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ihatethecold · 05/03/2017 16:02

The thought of a class makes me shudder.

They look good fun but I'd hate to be joining in.

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humanfemale · 05/03/2017 18:07

This is an awesome thread. I started going to body pump classes just less than six weeks ago and have definitely lost fat ... my legs and butt are in better shape they've been in since I was early twenties. In six weeks!

Also the buzz I get when I come out of that class is amazing and totally unexpected. It's like a high that lasts all afternoon.

I'm still lifting pretty light though - need to start pushing myself.

But because I know I need to finish the track (i.e. do loads of reps) to keep up with the class I tend to err towards underestimating myself so I don't end up feeling a dick for not coping! Will have to work on getting over myself! Smile

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KatharinaRosalie · 05/03/2017 18:23

humanfemale I'm (amongst other things) a Bodypump instructor and you will NOT look like a dick if you can't finish the track. Quite the opposite, that's what I always tell my classes - if you are struggling or can't finish, that's perfect - it means you're challenging yourself and that's exactly where you want to be. Go for it!

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 18:35

I have booked a Body Pump class for the gym I'll be at next week. I'm not completely sure what to expect. What will they be having me do?

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KatharinaRosalie · 05/03/2017 18:40

It has 10 tracks - warm up, squats, chest, back, triceps, biceps, lunges, shoulders, abs and cooldown. Each track is 4-6 minutes long, and over the entire class you will do about 800-1000 reps.

You will need a lot lighter weights than you use normally, but as said, you will do a lot more reps. The reps are done to music, so the instructor will call out different tempos.

How good it is depends a lot on the instructor, I always tell my new people not to make any decisions based on the first class - if you first feel it might not be for you, try 3 classes, and 3 different instructors.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 18:54

Are there rests or is it just constantly changing to different body parts?

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KatharinaRosalie · 05/03/2017 18:58

no there are breaks between each track to allow you to change your weights on the bar. You don't want to try the biceps track with your squat weight.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 19:00

Good point!

I use the body pump bars and plates for my little circuits.

I should probably do this on my non-lifting day, rather than after doing my arms, back and shoulders.

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