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Hierarchy of Fat Loss: how to prioritise your time and effort.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 06:58

I see countless threads on mumsnet where women talk about wanting to "tone up" and lose weight in which they discuss maybe taking up jogging or taking a class. Or asking which treadmill or elliptical to buy. It really frustrates me and makes me sad because I know that so many people are mostly clueless about fitness and weight loss.

There are many thousands of people grinding away on treadmills, taking "bums and tums" classes, etc. Most of them don't lose much weight. Quite a few lose none.

There are things that do a lot, and there are things that do relatively little, to help you lose body fat. Most of us have other stuff to do in life and so even carving out three hours a week can be a challenge. You need to know which activities are the best use of your time.

In order of efficacy and importance, here are the things that you can do.

  1. Diet. Nothing is more important. You cannot lose fat unless you eat fewer calories than you burn. You can improve strength and endurance and feel great, but you won't lose fat. Most people need to count calories to eat fewer calories but some have success with cutting out carbs, booze, intermittent fasting, etc. These are just ways of cutting calories.


  1. Weight training. Lifting weights, whether by machines or barbells kettle bells. This burns calories and triggers your body to preserve muscle mass while letting go of fat. Without this, step one will result in losing both fat and muscle. People who diet + lift lose more fat than those who diet + jog. The weights have to be heavy. If you can buy them at TK Maxx, they're too light.


  1. Sprinting, aka anaerobic interval training aka tabata. Incredibly intense running or cycling at a level so high that you can just barely do it for 20 seconds (you're miserable at 15 seconds and collapsing at 20). Work for 20 seconds, rest for 10-20 seconds. Repeat about 8 times, a few times a week. This burns calories for up to 36 hours after you quit. It literally raises your metabolism.


  1. Aerobic Intense Interval Training. Like above only at a level where you can sustain it for two to three minutes. You're gasping for breath and your heart is pounding. Work for 2 minutes, rest for 1-2 minutes and repeat 6-10 times. This also has an "afterburn" effect on the metabolism.


  1. Higher intensity steady state aerobic training. This is a brisk pace that you can stand for 20 or 30 minutes. You're breathing heavily through your mouth. Feels nice and you you get sweaty but you don't burn many calories. Once you stop and your heart rate returns to normal, you cease burning extra calories.


  1. Low intensity steady state cardio. This is walking. It has negligible effects on fat loss.


This is all explained in more depth, with links to the science to back it up in this fantastic article:

www.t-nation.com/training/hierarchy-of-fat-loss

I am losing weight rapidly and toning the hell out of my body with 1, 2,and 4. I know that 3 (tabata) is more efficient than my HIIT circuits but I am a wimp. Grin

These things aren't easy. They require commitment and you may have to learn new things. It's possible, but not easy, to do it at home with the use of books, YouTube videos and weights bought at home. Even joining a gym only gets you so far if you're clueless about the equipment. But I think it's worth it. Once you have overcome your fears and learned how to exercise properly, you'll be set for life.
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JustGettingStarted · 17/03/2017 10:55

There are many great videos on YouTube explaining everything. The biggest challenge is getting your form checked, particularly if you can't see something from an angle, like if you're rounding your back or something.

You can ask someone nearby to tell you how your form is looking.

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CantstandmLMs · 16/03/2017 21:37

I've started to lift at the gym after getting into bodypump. I do feel a bit daunted when there's quite a few people working out hard who clearly know what they're doing more than me! Bodybuilding.com is fab for start up plans.

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ShotgunNotDoingThePans · 16/03/2017 09:43

Agreed exellent thread - and very timely for me. I've been re-habbing my bad shoulder for over a year now, started with resistance band/bodyweight/trx stuff but using weights since last Easter. I now have amazing, chiselled shoulders which has been a revelation but I know I should be moving on to an all over routine for balance. Plus I need to lose about a stone. In fact, I started swimming which makes me feel great but I over-indulged due to a false sense of security and gained about half a stone over the winter!
I was using the gym at my physio which was great - never had to queue for equipment but got lonely and bored, and also felt a dick when a trainer was in there with a client.
Anyway, I'm 53 and can state that you absolutely can build muscle over50/post-menopause. My aim is to be in the scary free weights room as I've noticed, when trying out other gyms, the machines I normally use are often occupied - plus sometimes the movement doesn't feel quite right, or the angle of the seat is weird, which can exacerbate back problems.
I love being able to carry the shopping in from the car in one go - simple pleasures! Grin

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sailawaywithme · 16/03/2017 02:08

Excellent thread, OP!

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yellow6 · 16/03/2017 00:38

point 5 is wrong you burn more calories running than weights a lot more www.nutristrategy.com/caloriesburned.htm pros and cons to both training but you should not mislead people, many people do just do cardio and lose a lot of weight its a simple formula you need to burn more calories than you eat to loose weight

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bignamechangeroonie · 13/03/2017 07:54

Your order of priorities is completely correct, great post OP.

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Bensyster · 13/03/2017 07:51

Interesting thread. I'm thinking more about lifting but I'm struggling to fit it in. Every week I do pilates, dance class, circuits with dd, a run with dh and a session at the gym while the kids do a class and the dog. I feel I need to work another gym session or two into my week but I can't see where.
At the gym, I normally walk briskly at max incline for 15 mins, 5mins on rowing machine and then use various machines....the free weights scare the shit out of me!

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Chimichangaz · 11/03/2017 09:32

What an interesting thread. In my heart I knew diet is the most important thing, I just tried to hide it from myself by thinking if I did 30 day shred I could eat more (and usually stuff that's not good for me). I'm 51, about a stone heavier than I want to be and short on time. Gym would be difficult (mentally) as I work long hours, and resent time spent travelling to a gym when I could work out at home. I do have a garage which is currently stuffed with crap which I could put some weights in.

Thanks op.

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 21:32

peace I was thinking along those linesGrin.

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AyeAmarok · 08/03/2017 20:16

Thanks for the information Just. I need to do more of 2&3 I think.

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peaceout · 08/03/2017 18:11

1-walk to the supermarket with empty backpack
2-buy shopping
3-walk home with weighted (by groceries) backpack :o

try and keep up a steady brisk pace, for added intensity use a route that takes you uphill on the way back,

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 18:08

I might try a back pack, actually. Sounds more practical!

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peaceout · 08/03/2017 17:09

weighted back pack

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 15:42

Weighted vests! Whatever next heads to Google.

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SlightlyTired · 08/03/2017 12:30

absolutely you can buy weighted vests, which might be a better option than weights on your extremities - probably also better for core/posture, though I've never tried it.

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absolutelynotfabulous · 08/03/2017 07:53

Thanks, slightly.
Another question: is there a way of walking using weights at the same time? I've got some ankle/wrist weights but all they seem to do is drag me down ikwim.

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SlightlyTired · 08/03/2017 02:12

absolutely, I work out at home with a set of power block weights (very easy to adjust - no unscrewing of bits and pieces) and usually use various fitness blender routines. Love them. I'm stuck in a hotel at the moment though, and doing body weight stuff in my room rather than go to the gym as I know it will be full of my colleagues!
lalsy definitely! It's such a shame - I really want to tell all those people slogging it out around their local park or doing 30 day shred yet again that there is a better way!!!

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 17:38

I think it's Tuesday. I am not 100% sure I'll do it. Normally, on Tuesday I do weights for upper body, followed by 20 minutes of my cardio circuits (in which I play with kettle bells, medicine balls, battle ropes and light barbells). I don't know if I will be too exhausted after the weights for Body Pump. I could cut back on the weights, doing only one exercise each for chest, back and shoulders. (normally I do 2 each, so six total each for three sets of 8-12 reps.)

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KatharinaRosalie · 07/03/2017 14:49

When's your Bodypump class, Just? I'd love to hear what you think.

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Lalsy · 07/03/2017 13:21

I go to the gym. I used to do cardio machines and a bit of weights machines. Then I got more into the weights machines. Now I do short, small-group classes that are various mixes but all with a lot of resistance/strength/weights. I like just doing what I am told and not having to think (only when it comes to exercise!).

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 07/03/2017 13:06

I go to the Gym.
Actually its more of a room with weights in, in my local community centre.
There's a great old guy who I think might have been a big shout in bodybuilding in his younger days. He donated pretty much all his equipment and is spending his retirement hanging out showing us stuff.
It costs me £25 a year and is literally one street away. I can see it from my house!
I pop in between the kids teatime and their bedtime routine.
I'm very lucky Grin

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 12:18

absolutelynotfabulous I go to the gym. It would be difficult for me to get sufficient space and equipment to train the way I would like at home.

I am lucky enough to be self employed. I have also discovered that quitting drinking has given me a lot of free time and money. Grin

I go early in the morning when I am working, mid morning on days off. If I don't, I will lose motivation. Or things will pop up and steal my time. And it's also much less crowded in the morning. 5pm is usually a madhouse at the gym.

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JustGettingStarted · 07/03/2017 12:11

I haven't looked at the weight room in a long time. It wasn't very busy.

I don't think it should be separate. Someone thinking "I ought to get more exercise... Let's see what's going on over here..." will get the idea that "exercise" is primarily running and working out to dvd's like 30 Day Shred.

Weight lifting is, for most people, the most valuable use of exercise time.

Not only is it the most efficient fat burner, it also crucial for preventing the inevitable loss of muscle and strength that starts around age 40.

We have an aging population and the market for stair lifts, chairs that lift to aid in standing, zimmer frames, etc, is booming. Falling is a real concern and the leading cause of injury in the elderly. Lifting heavy weights is the best way to prevent that. And, provided a basic level of mobility, it's never too late to start.

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Lalsy · 07/03/2017 11:14

Do people think that having a separate weights room topics means that when the uninitiated look at the Exercise topics, they don't see the full range of what women do? Just wondering what the reasoning was.

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Alice212 · 07/03/2017 09:56

Just a word of warning - I found I got really hungry when I first started with heavy weights. If you don't already have protein shakes in your day you might want to add one.

I appreciate everyone's different though.

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