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Westministenders: Festive Edition

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2020 21:00

Good King BBBBaBoris looked out,
on the Port of Dover,
There the shit lay round about,
Deep around the stopover;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Delivering stuff for Yule.

“Bugger SAGE and stand by me,
We've all stuff that needs selling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Sire, he lives a good league hence,
The other side the EU;
Though relations maybe tense,
He's trying to get goods through.”

“Oh god I need another wine,
I have many crisis to consider:
We must tell them its all fine,
I must not be seen to dither.”
SAGE and monarch, forth they went,
forth they went together;
Through the nation's sad lament
and really crappy weather.

“Sire, our plight is darker now,
And the covid transmission stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how;
To keep Tier 2 much longer.”
“Soon we can drop their wage.
And treat them all more coldly
In Britain's new chrony age
A time to rob more boldly.”

In their master’s steps they trod,
On the quest to get minted;
Each and every last sod
Needs to be fingerprinted.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
DWP claimants are processing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
God its all so depressing.

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SabrinaThwaite · 26/12/2020 22:12

There’s still the option of a Golden Visa for Portugal.

Don’t worry about Hate, s/he plans to retire to their non-EU Albanian homeland.

RedToothBrush · 26/12/2020 22:15

@Peregrina

Wasn't it something like £150,000 for a Maltese passport?

So not an option for the majority of us. Almost certainly an option for someone like Rishi Sunak. Johnson might be a bit stretched because he can't manage on £150,000 a year, so I doubt if he's got the savings. Still, he could sell his London house and free a good wodge of capital that way.

He could cover it with a single after dinner speech.
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veeeeh · 26/12/2020 22:25

I think it is all over, well the angst in the press and all that.

There may be trouble ahead, but for now it is nothing like anyone thought regarding difficulties for UK. Am thankful for that TBH, who wouldn't be?

I suppose every EU country will now leave lol.

wherearemychickens · 26/12/2020 22:28

I've just looked up the Golden Visa for Portugal - looks like it's just residency, rather than citizenship? Having had a quick look through the most obvious options (jobs-wise for my DH) I think it looks like France is the best bet - dual nationality possible, and 5 years residency required. Ireland looks like it's just residency? No jobs there though for my DH.

Chersfrozenface · 26/12/2020 22:28

@veeeeh

I think it is all over, well the angst in the press and all that.

There may be trouble ahead, but for now it is nothing like anyone thought regarding difficulties for UK. Am thankful for that TBH, who wouldn't be?

I suppose every EU country will now leave lol.

It's not all over, not by any means.

To quote the BBC's Reality Check:
"Just because a deal has been done, don't assume everything is settled. The UK is going to be negotiating with the EU for years to come, on a more or less constant basis."

wherearemychickens · 26/12/2020 22:29

I wonder if any will change their requirements to attract UK talent looking to get out?

ListeningQuietly · 26/12/2020 22:29

@veeeeh

I think it is all over, well the angst in the press and all that.

There may be trouble ahead, but for now it is nothing like anyone thought regarding difficulties for UK. Am thankful for that TBH, who wouldn't be?

I suppose every EU country will now leave lol.

I'll answer that one on January 31st

the full year anniversary of Brexit Wink

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 22:42

Well I know it's over for those of us who know the consequences and the real story.

I was really referring to the general populace who will breathe a sigh of relief that things can still go on as before. That is the message that will be sent out.

UK has everything now, but doesn't have to pay a penny for it. That is the new message. And really who can contradict that, with the caveat of FOM being lost. But most are not worried about that at all.

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 22:44

@veeeeh

I think it is all over, well the angst in the press and all that.

There may be trouble ahead, but for now it is nothing like anyone thought regarding difficulties for UK. Am thankful for that TBH, who wouldn't be?

I suppose every EU country will now leave lol.

Frankly, anyone who thinks it's all over is thick as pigshit.

I.e. a Brexshitter...

SabrinaThwaite · 26/12/2020 22:53

I've just looked up the Golden Visa for Portugal - looks like it's just residency, rather than citizenship?

It does give you the EU benefits that come with residency and you can apply for citizenship after the 5 years.

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 22:58

Hannibal, I am just talking reality here and you know it too I reckon.

The hubris and all that will come out soon enough, but SOME of us know the truth of the matter.

But we shall see. Apart from FOM it all looks good to lots of people, no matter what. And I do realise there is more to it than that, but Headline News in certain outlets eh?

We got those pesky EU bullies to capitulate for example!

istherelifeafter40 · 26/12/2020 23:06

@wherearemychickens
I've lived in a number of European countries before settling in the UK (what a mistake!) - and I am not from a EU country. My understanding is that mainly or perhaps always, one can qualify for a citizenship after a period of specific kind of residency (i.e. work, spouse, not a student) - and they also need to meet other requirements - i.e. pass a language test. This is also how it is in the UK. So realistically, you need to think which language you are likely to master to that level. Dutch, Swedish, Danish?
Also, when you are on a work visa or if you have a permanent residency, you cannot leave the country for more than a certain number of days a year, usually around 90. The residency often lapses if you are not present in the country. (this is quite different to UK's Indefinite Leave To Remain which theoretically can lapse if you are not here for 2 years, but no one checks). So it's not only a question of moving to a EU country, but a big commitment, i.e. learning a language and staying there (- which can be a problem if your scientist partner gets a better offer and needs to relocate again, then you start anew).

istherelifeafter40 · 26/12/2020 23:09

You also need to learn about the types of academic contracts usually offered in specific EU countries. In some countries, they are always time-limited and to be renewed, and sometimes automatically renewed and sometimes not at all even if you are told at the beginning that they would be. This means the contract might end just before you qualify for the next step in the residency/citizenship process. It is a huge headache.

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:12

@veeeeh

Hannibal, I am just talking reality here and you know it too I reckon.

The hubris and all that will come out soon enough, but SOME of us know the truth of the matter.

But we shall see. Apart from FOM it all looks good to lots of people, no matter what. And I do realise there is more to it than that, but Headline News in certain outlets eh?

We got those pesky EU bullies to capitulate for example!

No, frankly you're talking bullshit!

I wish you knew it too. Otherwise it doesn't bode well for, well, anything...

wherearemychickens · 26/12/2020 23:15

That's a good point about academic contracts, I hadn't thought about that - he's very lucky at the moment to basically have a permanent position

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 23:15

On the surface it all looks good for many in reality. A lot of the trade advantages without the billions of contributions anymore.

Doubt many care about Pharma, Euratom, Erasmus and so on. But that's why UK, or should I say the Brexit papers will crow soon enough.

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:17

On the surface it all looks good for many in reality.
Typical Breshitter - can't look beyond the bullshit headlines in the Daily Heil.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 23:28

I think that a lot of Brexiters will believe Johnson and think that it's OK. But then little things which are taken for granted now will suddenly catch people out. Cue wails in the Daily Mail - oh it's not fair ...... Not, Johnson was a lousy negotiator.

So much gets slid in under the radar. Like the change to passport renewals - you can no longer renew up to nine months early and get those months added on. This came to public knowledge when people started complaining on the Martin Lewis site when they started getting passports back without the extra nine months.

So what about all those professional qualifications which will no longer be recognised EU wide? Potentially a big loss.

Loss of Erasmus - despite Johnson saying earlier this year that it would be kept.

Pet Passports - I am not sure yet of the details - I think you will have to go to the vet 10 days beforehand to get a certificate. More expense for one thing, and stops you just taking off for a few days at the last minute.

If Johnson does know the detail he has glossed over it, giving us the usual piffle and waffle. You only need to look at the way he's dealt with Covid - says one thing one day and two days later does a complete about turn.

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 23:36

@HannibalHayes

On the surface it all looks good for many in reality. Typical Breshitter - can't look beyond the bullshit headlines in the Daily Heil.
I refuse to rise to your bait. Brexit was always going to be a disaster for the usual plebs. But maybe you are a relative of those who will benefit. LOL.

Anyway for the season that's in it cheers to whatever your choice of grog all day has been. Enjoy.

SabrinaThwaite · 26/12/2020 23:37

Pet Passports - I am not sure yet of the details - I think you will have to go to the vet 10 days beforehand to get a certificate

You do - and you have to travel within 10 days of issue, it lasts for four months and for a single trip only. And you’ll need one to go from GB to NI.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 23:40

My cat had to be PTS and I wouldn't have taken her on holiday anyway, but I was staggered the last time I went on the ferry - 2019 - just how many people were travelling with dogs.

wherearemychickens · 26/12/2020 23:47

What are the trade advantages?!?! We're about to impose massive amounts of red tape on our businesses. Where are the advantages in that?!

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 23:53

@wherearemychickens

What are the trade advantages?!?! We're about to impose massive amounts of red tape on our businesses. Where are the advantages in that?!
I could be wrong, but tariff free trade with EU, unless standards in UK do not align with EU.

There will still be customs checks to ensure there are no shenanigans. lol.

Other than that no one knows really yet. AFAIS.

Once businesses in export import are quiet, all sounds ok to me anyway, for the moment!

Lots to emerge after 31/1 anyway I reckon, but it will all work out eventually.

What was the fupping point anyway is what I would ask.

HannibalHayes · 26/12/2020 23:53

But maybe you are a relative of those who will benefit.

Oddly enough, I'm not a multimillionaire disaster capitalist, not an Eton school buddy of the cabinet, so, like 99.9% of the country, I'm going to suffer.

Why you seem to think this is a good thing, is, frankly, beyond my comprehension...

veeeeh · 26/12/2020 23:55

Eh 31/12 sorry there!