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Westminstenders: Political vacuums are very bad things

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2020 23:18

Johnson has been notible (once again) but his absence.

Whilst we appreciate he has been ill and has a new baby, we are in the midst of a national crisis and a sense of leadership and guidance from our prime minister has been lacking.

And its not gone unnoticed.

Not just by the press. And not just by opposition. Nor NHS and care managers. But on the ground where it matters.

The lack of the sense of seriousness has dissipated. The sense of duty to country to behave. The idea that it will some how be all over this week when it doesn't appear to be the government strategy. The total lack of policy for a week whilst it's become clear bit by bit that these things have been under discussion and decided upon prior to the supposed key meeting on Thursday from the announcements from the regional assemblies. All in favour of a TV stunt tomorrow night.

Let's see how that goes.

The grandstanding isn't a substitute for detail and substance in a crisis. And we still have the looming show down at the end of June over extension of transition. More optics. More lack of practicality at a time when things will really be on the brink.

The next month will be telling and we hit the wall of economic reality which will bring the whole world crashing in on the lives of so many people.

This is the calm before the storm. Enough the sunshine. Enjoy the time with families. Before this is over everything will have changed for so many.

This is just the start of things unravelling and it needs someone to take control and draw up solid blueprints for all our futures. Is a man who is so frequently awol from where he is supposed to be and doesn't take commitments and responsibilities seriously, really the man for that?

Churchill had a vision for the country that cited housing as our second social service, the NHS being our first.

Will Johnson manage to some how forge out so grand new venture which gives the resource and rewards it deserves to the NHS (beyond lipservice and empty platitudes and clapping, that recognises the importance of social care and can stop the almost inevitable coming wave of homelessness and unemployment

And can he do it without selling us off as a basement bargain to the us?

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DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 14:38

We got brought a full grown dead squirrel by one of the cats at the weekend

Hmm

Call me Mr. Picky, but I'd rather shoot/trap one myself, or cook one that someone else had shot or trapped.

TatianaBis · 15/05/2020 14:39

I like Sadiq Khan but wtf is he doing to London.

Can’t drive in, can’t socially distance on buses, and we’re all supposed to walk or cycle?

It’s big city.

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 14:46

I feel depressed when I think that the Church allows / allows itself to be represented as a place where lifelong poor behavior followed by a deathbed confession is OK.

But isn't that the central message of Christianity. And Catholicism too Smile ?

Of course religions have to promise some form of salvation or redemption, otherwise people unfortunate enough not to have been born into the "correct" and are damned from birth may as well not waste any time even trying for salvation ...

But we return to my previous point ... why does it take a Supreme Being for people to have to behave decently ?

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 14:49

I like Sadiq Khan but wtf is he doing to London.

He has to satisfy two constituencies .... Londoners who live there, and Londoners who travel in and work there.

Same way all these tourist magnets are soon going to have to find a way to keep residents safe (and believe that they are being kept safe) while at the same time making visitors feel like they've found the right spot for Netflix and Chill.

It's a delicate balance. As the documentary "Dantes Peak" shows.

borntobequiet · 15/05/2020 14:59

I remember Birmingham as being practically overrun by squirrels. I used to sit in lessons watching them cross a busy road by jumping across from tree to tree. You should be OK for protein DGR so long as all the other Brummies don’t get the same idea.

OldLace · 15/05/2020 15:00

I don't think is (or certainly should be the central message, no) but then I am not a standard Christian perhaps? I have lots of issues with traditional Church teaching, but perhaps I don't understand it?
But I believe, that hhe point is not to sin and go to church once a week to get scraped clean, or at end of life (even worse!)
It is to try on a daily basis to behave more kindly to ones neighbour, to value the poor, to question authority, to try to live a thoughtful life etc

I don't think it does take a supreme being for people to behave decently, not at all. I know plenty of Good people with no belief, and plenty of 'loud' Christians who do not behave in a christian manner.
I think a Faith gives many a guide in life, when it can seem overwhelmingly difficult to find a way through and that brings comfort.

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 15:19

Shouty shouty.

www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/05/14/airborne-droplets-from-speech-a-may-contribute-to-spread-of-cor

Tiny airborne droplets produced through speech can linger in the air for longer than 10 minutes – and may be potentially significant in the spread of coronavirus, research suggests.

Scientists have found that loud speech can emit thousands of oral fluid droplets per second.

The study, from researchers at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases and the University of Pennsylvania, was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal.

It is based on an experiment which used laser light to analyse the number of small respiratory droplets emitted through human speech.

In a closed, stagnant air environment, the droplets disappear from the window of view with time constants in the range of eight to 14 minutes, researchers say.

They write: "These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments."

(contd)

Chersfrozenface · 15/05/2020 15:31

One of the first confirmed cases of person-to-person transmission outside China was in Bavaria, where at least one employee of a firm called Webasco was infected at a training session on January 21 with another employee from China who tested positive on her return home. It was said that around 40 employees were "potential close contacts", so had been at the training session or in conversation with the trainer.

So that would be transmission by normal speaking in a room or rooms, then.

I can't find any information on the length of the training session, but it took place on one day only.

Tanith · 15/05/2020 15:42

"I still haven't got round to trying squirrel."

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall has some recipes. Mind you, he also has recipes for slugs...🤮

Piggywaspushed · 15/05/2020 15:43

Oh yes, and what indoor environment would this loud/ constant speaking be very prevalent in??

Oh, I know!

Schools!

TatianaBis · 15/05/2020 16:25

He has to satisfy two constituencies .... Londoners who live there, and Londoners who travel in and work there.

£15 congestion charge 7 days a week fucks everyone but cyclists.

It’s not Khan’s fault and I’m not actually blaming him. It’s entirely the government’s doing. They’ve offered TfL a crap bailout of £1.6 billion which is not sufficient, so Khan is forced into a corner.

Why the fuck the Torres are playing political games to target a Labour mayor during a pandemic I don’t know.

They may do well to remember the red wall of London!

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 16:30

Why the fuck the Torres are Trump is playing political games to target a Labour mayor Democratic states during a pandemic I don’t know.

Now do you see ? Boris see. Boris do.

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 16:57

Here's a rabbit hole for you.

Boris speech generator

boatyardblues · 15/05/2020 16:58

We got brought a full grown dead squirrel by one of the cats at the weekend

You’ll be glad of their hunting skills come Jan ‘21.

Can’t drive in, can’t socially distance on buses, and we’re all supposed to walk or cycle?

It’s big city.

Perhaps part of Boris’ fat fighters strategy. 🤷‍♂️

ListeningQuietly · 15/05/2020 16:58

Today's random update from the Road Network.
This time from the A roads through a National Park.
where the blerdy hell did they ALL come from
I had to queue at junctions.
There were enough cars driving like eejits that people were hooting.
Lockdown is well and truly over for the weekend

and picking up on the loud speech point
groups of cyclists standing at the side of the road shouting over the noise of the cars
gobbing all over each other no doubt

AuldAlliance · 15/05/2020 17:01

In other news, someone has had Dr Hydroxychloroquine Raoult's face tattoed on his leg, and another has been driving around Marseille in a lorry with it on.
www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/5988685/le-1818-le-professeur-raoult-toujours-dans-le-coeur-des-marseillais.html

DGRossetti · 15/05/2020 17:01
Mistigri · 15/05/2020 17:02

Research is an ethical minefield at the best of times - all of this makes it harder still. Financial incentives are very controversial indeed. My team worked in the NHS/University environment and so we were not involved in any trials that offered major incentives. In fact we were checking everything we did to ensure that paying people back their costs and nothing over wouldn't get them in trouble in terms of benefits.

From my experience (of translating ethics committee documents) it would seem that offering any inducements, but especially financial ones, is a big no-no in clinical trials, at least at phase 3.

But people do get paid to be phase 1 guinea pigs (aka healthy volunteers) don't they? Otherwise no one would do it, because it's a lot of hassle and a small amount of risk for no therapeutic benefit.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/05/2020 17:15

Handcock just said, we are at Level 4, but now in a position to start moving towards Level 3.

Can anyone translate?

Is there a statistician in the house???

Piggywaspushed · 15/05/2020 17:16

My cat also brought me a dead squirrel once. I picked it up with a cardboard home made tray . Promptly dropped it on my foot. I swore a lot and screamed. The vicar next door messaged to see if I was OK!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/05/2020 17:27

Is there a statistician in the house???
I'd love to help but I'm still stuck on their formula which means we should be at coronavirus already level 200k something. Sorry

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/05/2020 17:28

Alert not already

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2020 17:29

Remarks by Michel Barnier
following Round 3 of negotiations for a new partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech200_895

with the exception of some modest overtures, we failed to make any progress on any of the other more difficult topics.

•	Despite its claims, the United Kingdom did not engage in a real discussion on the question of the level playing field

those economic and commercial “fair play” rules that we agreed to, with Boris Johnson, in the Political Declaration.
......
o We were also disappointed by the UK's lack of ambition in a number of areas that may not be central to the negotiation, but which are nonetheless important and symbolic.
I'm thinking, for instance of the fight against money laundering.
......
• Why does the UK refuse to include consultation mechanisms with our European and British parliaments and with civil society in our future agreement?
......
• Finally, on police and judicial cooperation in criminal matters, although we have broad agreement on the objectives,
we continue to face two fundamental obstacles that must be resolved before we can put in place any new tools for cooperation:

o The UK refuses to commit, in an agreement with us, to guarantees protecting fundamental rights and individual freedoms resulting from the European Convention on Human Rights,
as agreed in the Political Declaration;

o It insists on lowering current standards and deviating from agreed mechanisms of data protection – to the point that it is even asking the Union to ignore its own law and the jurisprudence of the European Court of Justice on passenger data (“PNR rules”).
That is of course impossible.
.....
I have even heard Michael Gove suggest that the UK might renounce to the objective of ‘zero tariffs, zero quotas', in the hope of being freed from level playing field obligations.

This proposal would amount to reinstating tariffs and quotas between us – something that hasn't been seen in decades. The Union does not want such an anachronism.

What's more, this approach would entail a detailed – and highly sensitive – negotiation of each tariff line. We saw recently, with Japan and with Canada, that this takes years.

•	Such a negotiation would only be possible with extension of the transition period. 

Is this what we are to understand from Mr Gove's statement? 😂

But more than this, even if we were to eliminate on 98% or 99% of tariffs, the EU would still demand the same strong Level Playing Field guarantees
....
• and because we refuse to compromise on our European values to benefit the British economy.
Economic and commercial fair play is not for sale!
Open and fair competition is not a “nice-to-have”. It is a “must-have”.
.....
and I insist on ‘in parallel':

•	Why would we seek to give favourable market access conditions to certain British professionals 

when our European fishermen would be excluded from British waters and risk losing their livelihoods?

•	<span class="italic">Why would we help British enterprises to provide their services in the EU without any guarantees of economic fair play?</span>

•	And, beyond our economic partnership, <span class="italic">why would be ambitious on questions of extradition or the exchange of personal data if we have no firm commitments from the UK on the protection of European citizens' fundamental rights?</span><span class="italic">	</span>

^The United Kingdom frequently refers to precedents.
It tells us it would be content with a “Canada-style” deal.
But at the same time – and this is the real paradox of this negotiationin many areas, it is demanding a lot more than Canada!^

It is even looking to maintain the benefits of being a Member State, without the obligations.
.....
We are negotiating a trade agreement with a third country here – one that chose to become a third country.
This is not an opportunity for the United Kingdom to “pick and choose” the most attractive elements of the Single Market. < it's still BJ's cake ! >

This makes me believe that there is still a real lack of understanding in the United Kingdom about the objective, and sometimes mechanical, consequences of the British choice to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union. 🤦🏻‍♀️

To make progress in this negotiation – if it is still the United Kingdom's intention to strike a deal with the EUthe United Kingdom will have to be more realistic;
it will have to overcome this incomprehension and, no doubt, it will have to change strategy.

You cannot have the best of both worlds!

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/05/2020 17:32

Handcock has also said the nurses should be grateful for the very generous pay they already have. That's them told.

#Crapforourcarers

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/05/2020 17:34

Regards the EU negs, it's Madman Theory: "Look, I'm that deranged, I really would drive this bus over the cliff. Only you can stop me...."