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Westminstenders: Political vacuums are very bad things

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2020 23:18

Johnson has been notible (once again) but his absence.

Whilst we appreciate he has been ill and has a new baby, we are in the midst of a national crisis and a sense of leadership and guidance from our prime minister has been lacking.

And its not gone unnoticed.

Not just by the press. And not just by opposition. Nor NHS and care managers. But on the ground where it matters.

The lack of the sense of seriousness has dissipated. The sense of duty to country to behave. The idea that it will some how be all over this week when it doesn't appear to be the government strategy. The total lack of policy for a week whilst it's become clear bit by bit that these things have been under discussion and decided upon prior to the supposed key meeting on Thursday from the announcements from the regional assemblies. All in favour of a TV stunt tomorrow night.

Let's see how that goes.

The grandstanding isn't a substitute for detail and substance in a crisis. And we still have the looming show down at the end of June over extension of transition. More optics. More lack of practicality at a time when things will really be on the brink.

The next month will be telling and we hit the wall of economic reality which will bring the whole world crashing in on the lives of so many people.

This is the calm before the storm. Enough the sunshine. Enjoy the time with families. Before this is over everything will have changed for so many.

This is just the start of things unravelling and it needs someone to take control and draw up solid blueprints for all our futures. Is a man who is so frequently awol from where he is supposed to be and doesn't take commitments and responsibilities seriously, really the man for that?

Churchill had a vision for the country that cited housing as our second social service, the NHS being our first.

Will Johnson manage to some how forge out so grand new venture which gives the resource and rewards it deserves to the NHS (beyond lipservice and empty platitudes and clapping, that recognises the importance of social care and can stop the almost inevitable coming wave of homelessness and unemployment

And can he do it without selling us off as a basement bargain to the us?

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DGRossetti · 14/05/2020 11:17

Tax rises, pay freezes, and a deluge of synonyms for austerity no doubt ...

amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/13/treasury-tax-hikes-pay-freezes-covid-19-costs-budget-deficit-spending

Raising taxes or imposing a public sector wage freeze are among the options on the table to pay for a government borrowing boom during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a leaked Treasury document.

(contd)

Songsofexperience · 14/05/2020 11:20

So sorry to hear about your uncle mistigri Flowers

missclimpson · 14/05/2020 11:21

My eldest granddaughter is first year of A level. She is getting some online classes and working independently the rest of the time. I think they will have to restrict the number of modules in the A levels though as they won't get through the curriculum with over four months lost. GD2 is Year 9, very bright and racing through the work set. She normally gets a lot of extension material, but I don't think that is happening now. The other two GCs are in Spain, the elder one getting a lot of online teaching and the younger one far less.
All four of them seem to be entirely happy at home and not missing school very much.

DGRossetti · 14/05/2020 11:27

Power to let ministers change UK law attacked

Meanwhile, a move to give ministers the power to change UK law in implementing international legal agreements post-Brexit has faced a barrage of criticism by peers.

Members of the House of Lords raised constitutional concerns over the provision contained in legislation currently going through the upper chamber, warning it was "wholly inappropriate" and "goes too far".

The Private International Law (Implementation of Agreements) Bill will enable the introduction of international rules used to deal with cross-border legal disputes after leaving the EU.

However, in a change to a long-standing convention, the bill seeks to give the British government the power to enact such agreements by using secondary legislation, known as statutory instruments, rather than requiring an Act of Parliament.

The Lords Constitution Committee has already branded the move "unjustified and ill-considered".

Speaking during detailed scrutiny of the bill at committee stage, Shadow Attorney General Lord Falconer of Thoroton told the virtual proceeding: "What it allows the Government to do is by delegated legislation to change the law of the country... to give effect to agreements that they have entered into in private international law.

"As a matter of constitutional propriety this is wrong."

He argued against giving the Government "this wholly inappropriate power never used previously and for which no proper justification has been given".

Leading lawyer Lord Pannick said the measure "raises matters of considerable constitutional concern".

He said: "The concern is that, with the exception of EU law from which we are extracting ourselves, it is a fundamental principle of our constitution that international agreements can only change the content of our domestic law if and when they are given force by an Act of Parliament."

"We think there is no justification... for allowing our law to be changed by statutory instrument without the need for full parliamentary debate."

Lord Pannick argued the measure "would not just allow for the implementation of the text of the international agreement, it will allow for consequential and supplementary and incidental provisions".

He said: "It will allow ministers to create by statutory instrument new criminal offences.

"These are matters for detailed scrutiny of a bill through the various stages of the parliamentary process."
Stressing the need to "maintain ministerial accountability to Parliament", Lord Pannick added: "This is not emergency legislation.

"It is a proposal for a permanent shift in power to the executive."

Former deputy president of the Supreme Court Lord Mance argued that the measure "simply goes too far".

He said: "Direct parliamentary legislation is possible and appropriate.

"It is implausible for the Government to suggest that either speed or reputational risk requires for the first time in history so unlimited... a delegated legislative power to implement any future private international measure agreed at the international level."

He added: "I suggest, therefore, that the Government should think again about the desirability of dealing with important, even though they can be technical, matters in the manner proposed indefinitely."

Labour peer Baroness Taylor of Bolton, chairman of the Lords Constitution Committee, said members felt it was "wrong that international agreements should be dealt with by the Government through secondary legislation".

"I certainly hope that the Government will think again about this," she added.

The former chief justice of England and Wales Lord Judge said: "The bill unnecessarily vests excessive power in the executive by means of secondary and not primary legislation."

Responding, Ministry of Justice spokesman Lord Keen said restricting the ministerial power would "prevent the United Kingdom from implementing any future agreements in a timely manner".

He said: "That in turn of course is going to delay the benefit of those agreements to both citizens and businesses.

"I would regard that as a unsatisfactory position given that in many cases there is considerable advantage to be gained from such international cooperation in the area of private international law."

Lord Keen added: "I submit that it is in the UK's interest to implement private international agreements in domestic law... without the delay that would inevitably arise if primary legislation were required on each occasion.

"This power I submit is both reasonable and proportionate.

"Delays in regard to this matter would be detrimental."

While there are currently no facilities for electronic voting for the Lords remote proceedings, peers indicated their opposition to the measure.

It sets the scene for a future showdown and possible UK government defeat when the bill returns at report stage.

DrBlackbird · 14/05/2020 11:37

Well DGR seems you are right and we are living in a dystopian world rather than looking ahead to one... It is terrifying how this current government is power grabbing in any and all attempts for the executive to circumvent parliament. We can well imagine why they want to enact this legislation. The question is: how servile or willing will my Tory MP (not my choice) to go along with this? As he is appearing to be happy to climb the greasy Tory party pole, I'm going to guess he's willing enough.

DGRossetti · 14/05/2020 11:49

Well DGR seems you are right and we are living in a dystopian world rather than looking ahead to one..

The worlds been right royally fucked since 1945. As something I read recently put it, we've had the best years by far. Nothing that follows can or will be so good ever again.

DrBlackbird · 14/05/2020 12:06

DGR where did you read the article? I'd like to have a look myself... can feel a letter to my MP coming on Grin

AuldAlliance · 14/05/2020 12:27

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/the-coronavirus-slayer-how-keralas-rock-star-health-minister-helped-save-it-from-covid-19
Chastening reading for the likes of BJ.
No app involved, apparently...

DGRossetti · 14/05/2020 12:29

DGR where did you read the article?

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0514/1138311-brexit/

Nobody I know that wants to be informed about Brexit uses UK sources. Especially people I know the the US, Canada, Italy and Spain.

ListeningQuietly · 14/05/2020 12:52

BigChoc
I am extremely jealous that your gym is re opening
not swimming every day is very strange

sos
That sushi looks amazing

DGR
My kids wonder why I am concerned about things like Johnson announcing policy on a Sunday rather than through the house.
That lords debate shows just how fragile our regulatory environment is.

dontcallmelen · 14/05/2020 13:29

Misti sincere condolences 💐

prettybird · 14/05/2020 14:55

Dh sent this to me with the comment: he's missed out Stage 6: Nicola....get back in your box Wink

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2020/04/21/the-five-stages/

MagisCapulus · 14/05/2020 15:32

Did you see the one about the three MPs deleting their tweets?

twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1260884208303693824

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2020 16:01

Several Tory MPs either attend far right events, like Daniel Kawczynski MP,
or copy attack lines from them

Time the remaining responsible Tories cleared the cockroaches out of their house

pointythings · 14/05/2020 16:27

Time the remaining responsible Tories cleared the cockroaches out of their house

In Westminster that means there won't be more than a handful left.

Mistigri · 14/05/2020 17:04

Did you see the one about the three MPs deleting their tweets?

One of them deleted her entire account.

Possible the most astonishing bit about this story is that the MP concerned is a whip, so when No 10 said the whips had had a word ... we are left to conclude that Maria Caulfield was left to gave a word with herself.

I hope Starmer's lawyer sends a polite shot across the bows.

Mistigri · 14/05/2020 17:04

Urgh, auto correct did a bit of a number on that post. Hopefully it is still comprehensible.

QuestionMarkNow · 14/05/2020 17:14

Meanwhile, a move to give ministers the power to change UK law in implementing international legal agreements post-Brexit has faced a barrage of criticism by peers.

Wow DGR just wow.....

QuestionMarkNow · 14/05/2020 17:15

Raising taxes or imposing a public sector wage freeze are among the options on the table to pay for a government borrowing boom during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a leaked Treasury document.

what about using a war tactic and raise taxes on the richest instead (as happened after WW2)?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 14/05/2020 17:31

So having dealt with the smelly end of the virus, the public sector workers will bear the burden of paying off the furloughing of the private sector?

squid4 · 14/05/2020 17:38

In a rage today.
Not at work right this second but doing 50+ hours this week mainly nights and DP implied I'm not doing enough childcare (I feel like I do loads)
I don't send my kids to school even though I'm entitled to because I don't think it's right when he's working from home - i'm not pretending its easy for him. they are young and noisy and tiring. I take them all the time to try and give him time to work, but I mainly work long evening or night shifts so I constantly feel like I'm being lazy in the day.
i'm emotionally exhausted and dream about dying a lot, (this is irrational I have no risk factors), i also worry about my patients too much
I'm not really angry at him, I've just hit absolute saturation point with this gaslighting government, saw a leaked thing that they are plannign NHS pay freezes after the pandemic, I don't care about me my salary is good (though less than people think it is, and it's been frozen for a decade or more) but nurses and hcas, i'm furious.

Generally furious.

squid4 · 14/05/2020 17:41

Also I miss my mum!

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 14/05/2020 17:53

Oh squid, Flowers. Be kind to yourself. You're working so hard, at home and at work, you really must be drained. Take a deep breath, you and your DH need to be on the same side. Sounds like you both need a break. Can you talk calmly and discuss your current work & childcare arrangements? Maybe something needs to give before it's you that gives.

squid4 · 14/05/2020 17:57

That's not 100% true, I have put them in school 3 days in total
Maybe I should put them in school
I don't know

Piggywaspushed · 14/05/2020 18:00

As a teacher, I say send them in.

The school really won't mind.

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