Does Jeremy Corbyn want a no deal Brexit

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Obviously he can't say so, but surely his best chance of getting elected would be in the aftermath of the unelected BoJo forcing though no deal, against the will of Parliament. Particularly if some of the predictions about jobs/prices/shortages/etc come true.

He's no ardent supporter of the EU.

“Isn't the job of the opposition leader to oppose? If they refuse to oppose and just say, "meh, its to hard, people dont like me". Then you are dam right its partly his fault. It is literally his job to stop this and he is impotent.”

Hang on, I thought it was remain labour MPs who were all to blame for the current mess and who had too much power and weren’t abiding by the “will of the people” and shouldn’t oppose what government are trying to do? This is very confusing

I think he wants to leave (deal or no deal) but with the Tories at the helm, so he and Labour are not associated with the act of leaving.

Corbyn can't privatise if we are in the eu - go figure

Every disaster is a cumulative disaster, there are many points in the chain of events where it could have been stopped or the course changed. Whether we stay or leave, with a deal or without, is not really where his head's at. He only wants to get into power, so he's all about shit stirring, whinging and blaming without having to take any responsibility whatsoever, which he could not anyway on the basis that he has displayed no intellectual capability or leadership skill at all. They are all to blame, him more than most, but not the most of all.

I think he does and he wants the Tories to take all the blame.

Who else should take the blame but the party who called the referendum then failed for three years to come up with any kind of sensible solution for this mess 🤦🏻‍♀️

They are all to blame, him more than most, but not the most of all

The politics of Brexit in a nutshell.

Guys it’s so easy to blame others, all the time. Shit stirring and shitshow etc. I’m the first one to say that British politicians morphed from boring things to colossal idiots, but:
Go tho parliament green! It’s full of people that stir shit! Normal people! People that painted placards to say “traitors” and stands at the gate and screams like banshees. This is not normal. It’s democratic maybe, it’s free speech etc etc but death treats are not normal. Nazi-simpatising bollocks posted online is not normal and not ok.
Each one of us is to blame because the people in power are there thanks to our votes. You might think a vote or two doesn’t make the difference, but every vote is counted. Think very carefully when you vote next, and read news from multiple sources, please, you do know that there are opposites point of view, newspapers or sites that present the other side....read all, and decide with a conscientious effort to give your most knowledgable vote. Otherwise, it’ll be your fault. These MPs would not be where they are if they were not voted by us, guys.

I think he wants Brexit, and doesn't mind No Deal.

Just as long as he can blame some else for it.

I think it's been abundantly clear for some years that Labour do not actually want to be in Government right now.

(And if it keeps on going as it’s going, it might be possible that that vote we take for granted will not be available anymore. More countries that I wish to list went from democracy to autarchy in a matter of few years. Don’t think British are that different. All the others thought they were different, too, you know....)

Absolutely Edith. I’m perplexed people don’t see this. A stuffed puppet would be as effective as the Leader of a formidable Opposition as he is. Probably more because at least it wouldn’t be expected to have input rather than sit quietly on the sidelines.

It’s wise not to be in government now and certainly after no deal, why take the blame for something you didn’t cause?

Why hasn’t the remain campaign won people over? People are still pretty much split. Why haven’t the likes of Alastair Campbell and other prominent folk convinced the nation to remain by a landslide?

I think he probably does, although in a fairly secret and private way rather than some form of big Labour conspiracy. As others have said - a disastrous No Deal Brexit could potentially pave the way for Labour to get into Downing Street with him as PM with a mandate for radical change. He would then be free of EU economic regulations and would - theoretically- be free to make the sweeping structural economic reforms that he and his supporters desire. Where you think of where the left of the Labour Party and people like Corbyn were just 10 years ago, the fact that this scenario is even a realistic possibility - albeit still a fairly unlikely one - is remarkable.

It is certainly the case that anyone who fears an authoritarian government of whatever political leaning should not be supporting no deal

The only people who refuse to support Jeremy Corbyn as PM in a vote of no confidence against Johnson are the lib dems. A number of tory rebels have said they'd accept him, so why can't Jo Swinson?
The rules of Parliament, dating back hundreds of years, dictate that the leader of the opposition is meant to form the next government in a vote of no confidence. Labour/Jeremy Corbyn are following the rulebook, not making some extraordinarily demand. Those insisting that he step aside for some as yet unnamed mp are the ones insisting on being allowed to change the rules to suit themselves.
Brexit is both a democratic and a constitutional crisis. It can't be solved by allowing people like Swinson to blackmail parliament into overturning parts of our constitution she doesn't like! Her witch hunt against Jeremy Corbyn demonstrates quite clearly that defending Remain is not the Lib Dems main priority. They're willing to cause a no deal by keeping Boris Johnson in office.

If we allow billionaire newspaper owners, sneaky ex Tories like Jo Swinson, Brexit conmen like Farage, and proto fascists like Dominic Cummings to hijack our democracy and constitution as it suits we might as well live in a dictatorship.

The only democratic way to solve the Brexit crisis is by putting it back to the people. Labour are the only Party willing to do so. There are only two choices left now. Johnsons Disaster Capitalist America First Anti worker crash out, or a Labour govt offering a confirmatory vote

Isn't the job of the opposition leader to oppose?

No, the job is to hold the government of the day to account not to blindly oppose. The ability of the opposition to stop government legislation is usually limited as they don't have a majority.

I don't think Jeremy Corbyn is an out and out liar. I think he genuinely believes in improving people's lives. I believe he knows No Deal is a disaster and people will die. Whether those deaths are due to lack of food, lack of medicine, riots, violent theft, troubles resuming because of Northern Ireland, mob beatings, political assassinations/murders or all of the above I don't know.

Corbyn can't privatise if we are in the eu - go figure
(a) Corbyn does not want to privatise anything
(b) Most of the EU has nationalised infrastructure like railways and post

I believe he knows No Deal is a disaster and people will die. Whether those deaths are due to lack of food, lack of medicine, riots, violent theft, troubles resuming because of Northern Ireland, mob beatings, political assassinations/murders or all of the above I don't know

Exactly. I suspect this is why he's not getting too involved and is in effect, not even trying to put the brakes on this car rolling over the cliff. Because by trying to change the inevitable course means you have to take responsability

*Listeningquietly
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Many threads here on nationalisation

labour.org.uk/?s=+nationalise

@littlebillie Read what you wrote originally. Listening is correct, Labour don't want to privatise anything.

I think he wants to leave (deal or no deal) but with the Tories at the helm, so he and Labour are not associated with the act of leaving.
Why should they be associated with the act of leaving? This is all down to the Tories. Let them own it. Ditto Leave voters. Own your own shit and stop shoving the blame onto everyone else.