Is anyone here marching on October 19th and if so, why?

[EmmaGrundyForPM]

I voted Remain and am devastated at the idea of leaving the EU, especially if we leave without a deal. However I am not persuaded by the idea of a Peoples Vote or second referendum.

i don't think the first referendum shoul ever hav happened. The general public - and i include myself in this - don't understand enough about the issues to make an informed decision. So i can't think that another vote is a good idea.

if you are in favour, please can you explain to me why?

@KennDodd my thoughts exactly. I cannot admit to my kids in the future that I did nothing to try and stop this calamity.

I won’t be able to get to London til later in the afternoon. Does anyone remember the timing of the last march, and how one it took for everyone to walk the route?

I was planning to until I was asked to work that day. I've been to previous marches. I am in favour of a PV, in contrast it seems to other marchers posting. I still want to Remain and, while the tide of public opinion may not have turned overwhelmingly, I believe that it has turned in Remain's favour. I am not keen to subscribe to the 'it'll only make matters worse' view because, frankly, how can it? We're staring down the barrel of no deal and a rogue government who no longer respect the law. They have no intention of compromising and are fighting for their desired, extreme outcome. So I'm going to match that. Never mind accepting a soft-ish Brexit - this lot wouldn't even be content with that: they want all of it entirely their way. So I'd rather push for another public view - if it ends up as no deal, it will only be what we are very, very close to now anyway, but at least we tried.

Where can I get an EU beret from? With the yellow stars on it?

I voted to leave and have massively changed my mind. I didn't research thoroughly enough the first time - thought Leave would lose anyway - believed the lies we were told - and thought I was sticking my fingers up at the Conservative government.

I realise now how wrong I was and want another chance to vote - now we know so much more how this is likely to affect us.

It's the first ever protest I've been on. I've never been much interested in politics before.

Sorry - It will be the first protest I've been on ...

Also this is interesting, from The Independent today: The YouGov survey for the Evening Standard found that Remain overtook Leave in the year after the referendum and has extended its lead ever since, with 204 polls since July 2017 showing a Remain majority against seven for Leave and 15 ties.

So far this year, just one poll in the series has put Leave ahead, with 74 backing staying in the EU, and recent months have seen the split averaging around 53 per cent to 47 per cent in favour of Remain.

Can we share practical tips re how to make a placard?
My first ever protest.

Sorry OP I shall start a different thread

I had a long chat with dh last night about the March. His view is that the Revoke Article 50 petition got million signatures and made not blind bit of difference so a March of 250k isn't going to either.

I won't be marching as I really don't think a PV is helpful. However i understand the reasons behind those of you who are going.

well its about doing the best we can...if hes got abetter idea...

btw. the last march was approx 1 mil people and the petition was around 6 mil. people arent happy and this is one of the ways we can legitimately show it.

I’m s bit too old to think that marches achieve anything. Especially on issues like brexit. We all know that they aren’t really representative in a country like Britain especially, I doubt that politicians will give a damn. I can understand why people with easy access/who really really care go but I don’t fit into either camp.

there were many elderly people there - i dont think its a question of age.

Emma
The March in March was well over a million people.

This one will have the bonus of Parliament sitting on the day
the down side of Extinction Rebellion maybe still being camped on some of the roads

but if you do not speak out, you accept what is being done purportedly in your name.

@Dusty01

I think the the last march there was a whole section for Leave voters who've changed their minds. Please also write to your MP and keep writing.

PS the Revoke petition got 6,103,057 signatures by the time it closed
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Velveteen I’m s bit too old to think that marches achieve anything. Especially on issues like brexit. We all know that they aren’t really representative in a country like Britain especially, I doubt that politicians will give a damn. I can understand why people with easy access/who really really care go but I don’t fit into either camp.

Yes, it's far better to sit at home and do nothing. Just let events roll inexorably forward and accept everything passively. After all, as you say, you don't "really really care".

I'm going with my dd, who is 17.

Im going even though it will probably make no difference. I want the government to know they're not going to get an easy ride.

This march is really important, it'll be a march asking for a second referendum happening literally while parliament is debating if we should have a second referendum, it's perfect.

@raisinseverywhere
I won’t be able to get to London til later in the afternoon. Does anyone remember the timing of the last march, and how one it took for everyone to walk the route?

I was marshalling at the last march and we were released about 3.30pm I think from our place at the start in Park Lane. We dawdled along the march route taking photos and stopping for a coffee. When we got to Parliament Square about 6.00pm, very -ish, there were still some people behind us.

The map

www.peoples-vote.uk/march_for_final_say#route

The assembly area for the shorter march will be at Waterloo Place, at the north side of Pall Mall, next to the Crimean War Memorial. Maybe just go there and follow the route.

I'm not marching mainly because I voted leave.
Secondly, because it's more important to listen to the whole HOC debating the WA. We can't possibly all have read 535 pages of the WA and understand it's complexities so listening to the debate helps us to better understand what it involves.You can't possibly hear all that debate if on a noisy March.

I thought that I would still disagree with the WA but, so far, (I know there are lots of questions to go) I am feeling better about the answers given by Mr Johnson.

I feel assured that workers' rights will not be eroded but will probably be improved. I feel happy that Mr Johnson said we will get rid of transporting live animals out of the UK.

I wasn't sure that he wanted a deal but now believe he does. I also believe that, despite the usual bureaucracy of govt and the EU and it usually taking years to achieve agreements, there is the desire by both sides to actually do one by 31 Dec 2020.

As had been said, we're starting from the same point, we have no tariffs and the same regulations as the EU. We are negotiating for no tariffs. This is an extremely good starting point as we don't have theses areas as obstacles to overcome.

great march- huge cheer when letwin amendment passed. great to be among people with shared values and priorities. always emotional.

Breaking news on BBC news 24: French President says "Brexit delay is in nobody's interest".

the whole thing is a disaster - no one said it would be easy- oh but yes they did, easiest deal in the world they claimed, repeatedly. Liars.

I feel assured that workers' rights will not be eroded but will probably be improved

All words like 'as close as possible' or 'alignment' have been take out. Johnson's assurances are just words.
twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1185520117511274496?s=19

Kier Starmer: 'the only reason to diverge is to go down'.