Apparently there's still time to agree a deal before 19 october

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But wouldn't a deal have to be approved by parliament? Which is prorogued?
Sorry to keep asking stupid brexit questions, I find explanations on here extremely useful.

@MysteryTripAgain - EU is not exactly harmonized in that respect. Look at the difference between Eastern and Western Europe.

Which completely contradicts your point that it's much cheaper to buy outside the EU.

The unalienable fact is we are geographically located next to lucrative trading partners. They happen to be in a big trading union

About 80% of UK economy is services. In today's electronic World of internet, video conferencing, etc., geographic proximity is not an advantage like it would be for a manufacturing economy.

What happens to our pride when we no deal for a day and then go cap in hand to immediately start the trade negotiations

Trade between EU and UK will be conducted on WTO until deals are made. Whilst I agree that no deal will be a larger short term problem for the UK than the EU, it will nevertheless be a problem for EU too.

Trump does not the EU at all. He would be very happy if a no deal departure from the EU lead to a domino effect in EU and the EU vanishes completely.

Germany and France economy not doing well at the moment. Italy close to being the next Greece, etc. If UK leaves without a deal it may the catalyst that Trumps wants.

Putin does not like the EU either.

Which completely contradicts your point that it's much cheaper to buy outside the EU

How? Some non EU countries are even cheaper than those in Eastern Europe. Look on your own link to compare.

@MysteryTripAgain - How? Some non EU countries are even cheaper than those in Eastern Europe. Look on your own link to compare.

Your implication is that non-EU is cheaper. That is not necessarily the case.

I have never claimed the GFA is part of EU law. Neither has anyone else. The only poster who does this is you

I am stating that GFA is not part of EU law. Where in any of my posts have I stated that GFA is part of EU law?

The UK are obliged to comply with the GFA under international law

The GFA lapses in a no deal scenario. A quick recap.

If UK leaves EU without a deal all EU laws and Treaties that previously existed between EU and UK vanish. Hence UK does not have to comply with EU rules as they no longer apply to UK. No member of a club is bound by the rules of a club they have left.

This makes the GFA inoperable as it references the obligations both Ireland and UK have with respect to the EU.

Regardless of GFA, the EU has its own border regulations. Therefore Ireland must have border control between itself and NI.

Possible there are two border built in the future. A WTO border (whatever they are meant to be) and a EU border like those in Eastern Europe.

Your implication is that non-EU is cheaper. That is not necessarily the case

UK is about 80% self sufficient in beef. Most of the other 20% comes from Ireland as it is close by and there are quota restriction on the amount that can be sourced outside the EU.

In a no deal scenario quota restrictions are reduced. So the South American beef exporters could move in and undercut the price of Irish beef to capture the market, but not represent a threat to beef producers in the UK. Take a look at;

beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/market-intelligence-news/opportunities-for-south-american-beef-in-a-no-deal/

South American beef must meet EU requirements as UK could not buy it all.

@MysteryTripAgain -You started Back again to Why's theory that GFA is EU law.

I called out your lie and while my statement could have been clearer, it was pretty obvious that I was referring to any mention of the GFA being part of/not part of EU law has only every been posted by you.

The GFA lapses in a no deal scenario. A quick recap.

Again, nonsense. The UK can leave the EU whilst still complying with the GFA by ensuring NI complies with SM rules. They have still left but in a Norway plus manner.

You stated, not you started.

@why

Good you started a post that stated when you said stated you meant started

So the South American beef exporters could move in and undercut the price of Irish beef to capture the market, but not represent a threat to beef producers in the UK.

And what makes you think south Americans won't undercut UK beef?

The link you provided says the quota will limit impact, not remove or eliminate impact, on the domestic market.

*And what makes you think south Americans won't undercut UK beef?"

Because they are competing for a 20% share of market as UK already has its own 80%. Under cut Irish prices, but not UK prices to a avoid a veto, to push Irish beef out of business. Then sell at slightly higher than UK to plug the 20% gap

@MysteryTripAgain - even your own link suggests it will impact the domestic market. And most favoured nation provision of WTO will restrict UK options in terms of quotas, vetos etc.

Yes, loss of the UK market will have a major impact on Irish beef producers. However, the EU has funds earmarked to minimise impact. One of the benefits of EU membership.

EU is an advantage for all members who receive money for free, but a disadvantage for members who have to provide the free money.

That is simply not true. The EU is an advantage to all members because of the benefit of free trade, easy access to desperatly needed workforce and a strong position on the global market as a bloc towards other blocs.

The contribution is like a fee (one which the UK gets a huge discount from. The money returned is a way to prop up countries that need it so that the whole market is stronger to be able to compete better with other blocs.

It is by no means perfect, but the UK has done very well from being a member of the EU.

To support my point:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-what-has-european-union-done-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

The CBI estimates that the net benefit of EU membership is worth 4-5% of GDP to the UK, or £62bn-£78bn per year.

@GrassHopper

It is by no means perfect, but the UK has done very well from being a member of the EU

UK has a trade deficit of 64 Billion with the EU

Germany has a trade surplus of 160 Billion with the EU

UK has a trade surplus of 44 Billion with Non EU Countries

EU World share of trade is in decline

The GFA lapses in a no deal scenario.

This is dangerous, legally-illiterate, extremist nonsense.

GFA doesn't lapse in a no Deal scenario ffs. We break it. Just about the time we are scrabbling around trying to prove we are a trustworthy party to an international trade deal . Any international trade deal. Because we will be desperate. Because (see Yellowhammer).

In normal times, people who promoted things that risk breaches of national security would be called extremists and even terrorists.

This poster is harming the national interest from - by his/her own admission - China.

@MysteryTripAgain - So for 41 years Ireland have taken from the EU at the expense of other members and now they want to take again.

Contribution can be counted in more ways than monetary.

I also don't think anyone from the UK is in a position to criticise another country taking from others, given your history of exploitation, subjugation and theft from other countries.

The claim that The GFA lapses in a no deal scenario. is, as @Mistigri and @bellinisurge say, utter nonsense. @MysteryTripAgain, who claims to work in legal (I suspect in the mail room, so gets to see some docs with legal words on it), claims that according to the Vienna convention the GFA will lapse due to circumstances changing. However, that convention precludes deliberate actions that contravene the treaty.

given your history of exploitation, subjugation and theft from other countries

That’s actually a valid point.

@MysteryTripAgain appears to have asked for their appalling comment on Ireland begging to be removed So for 41 years Ireland have taken from the EU at the expense of other members and now they want to take again.

This is becoming a bit of a habit by that poster. Make unacceptable comments, then when called out on them, claim it's a joke or ask for it to be deleted. Maybe @MysteryTripAgain should re-read the 50 cent army guidebook.

@MNHQ - I don't think you should delete posts at the request of the poster simply because they have realised they have shown their true colours.

Anyone would think that poster knows fuck all about the subject.

@bellinisurge - Anyone would think that poster knows fuck all about the subject.

I suspect it's not covered in the 50 cent army guidebook.