Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.
There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.
Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.
All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.
The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.
Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.
The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.
Which leaves up shit creek.
At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.
That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.
The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.
It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...
Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.
This is real. This isn't a bluff.
Brexit
Westminstenders: Promises, promises
RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 23:26
BCF I can see your comment in TIO but not in actual thread.
It seems to resolve itself when someone else posts.
Let’s see if me posting fixes it 
I expect the other parties and remainer Tories are on their hols.
At the weekend, had a small family gathering, all staunch remainers. Someone advocated civil unrest. There were responses of "yeeesss!" And little cheers. "Hooray!" But we were all inwardly probably thinking "what, the 4 of us?" That's the problem, we're all too divided around the place. There is no cogent plan. All the remainer politicians are too split. At this late stage people in parliament plenty vehemently don't want to work with the SNP, Corbyn's Labour, moderate Tories, libdems, the Greens etc.
We, on here, the majority of whom appear to be very much voted remain, have different ideas about what we went next:- revoke, people's vote, soft Brexit.
Obviously it's not down to us (boo! Shame!)
I've also had daydreams about throwing eggs tobee
Another thought; leavers will be the new LD's - enabling the Tories to put austerity (or whatever they will call it after Brexit) into hyper-drive.
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