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What referendum question?

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RandomlyChosenName · 28/05/2019 08:58

With around half the country wanting a second referendum on Brexit, what question should be asked that is a fair question?

What happens if leave wins again (which is a possibility as the other half of the country supports it)?

Bearing in mind these difficulties with a referendum- and I don’t buy that “campaign better” will work now people are so entrenched- why is this the focus of all the Remain parities? Why isn’t anyone saying “Brexit is undeliverable, so we we would revoke Article 50”?

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 29/05/2019 09:23

The fact that the latter feels a bit questionable at the moment doesn’t mean we should rely on the largely emotionally-driven choices of the British electorate as a basis for our country’s future

What would like like to happen (with regards to Brexit)?

redcarbluecar · 29/05/2019 09:33

I think if Parliament can’t negotiate a deal we should revoke A50 or that there should be a long delay whilst the implications of leaving the EU are investigated further and perhaps in a less fraught way than has been the case recently. Nothing simple about that of course- we still have a referendum result that suggests a majority of British people want to leave, and that can’t be disregarded. I’m also not sure a 2nd ref would change that majority.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 29/05/2019 09:43

I think if Parliament can’t negotiate a deal we should revoke A50

Can’t argue with that.

KennDodd · 29/05/2019 09:46

whilst the implications of leaving the EU are investigated

The implications have been investigated thoroughly, Brexiteer politicians have wafted the conclusions aside and the public don't believe the conclusions. Brexit is about belief and faith, facts just don't come into it.

LouiseCollins28 · 29/05/2019 10:14

Sorry, have I understood this right Redcar, you want Parliament to negotiate a deal? The whole of Parliament agitating for the bits it's faction want's out of Brexit/No Brexit got us into the "indicative votes" chaos IMO.

For myself, this is the Government's job not Parliament's and the fact is that they have negotiated a deal, the problem is that Parliament won't support it.

Maybe there is a case for some form of indicative votes being held again. I'd suggest that a new PM comes in and says right at the outset "We are leaving, the job of Parliament between now and the autumn is to express its will as to what kind of leaving it will support."

So you'd have a more restricted Indicative Votes process, where the options are Leave options.

  • Leave on the Common Market 2.0 plan (if it isn't dead in the water)
  • Leave and seek EFTA membership
  • Leave including leave the SM but stay in the Customs Union
  • Leave with a refreshed WA & PD?
  • Leave without a deal agreed.
1tisILeClerc · 29/05/2019 10:29

There is no 'deal' so far, just the outline rules.

The EU have stated that the WA will be the starting point for any discussions so:
The UK will sign up to the section on citizens rights.
The UK will sign up to the backstop to protect lives in Ireland.
The UK will pay an 'exit bill'.
The UK will follow the remaining legally binding processes contained in all the other pages of the WA. Exactly which treaties are retained and which need changing is up for negotiation (the role of the PD) but if the UK is dropping out of specific legislation the legal way it happens is contained in the WA.

There are no further trade deals at this point, just the 3 basics and a set of legal procedures describing how the other parts will be enacted.
The fact there is no 'cake' and the UK will have to start negotiating properly pisses the HoC and cabinet off so they don't like it.
the biggest problem is that no one in the UK knows what the UK actually wants, just a monster pile of stuff that they don't want.
You can't negotiate anything from the current UK position.

redcarbluecar · 29/05/2019 10:32

@Louise, take your point about the distinction there. I would rather a deal was negotiated than not, because (whether we like it or not) A50 was activated and the decision taken to leave the EU, honouring the referendum result. If a deal can’t be struck - perhaps because the UK isn’t politically stable or strong enough for this to work at the moment, as May’s WA attempts seem to have shown - then I think revocation or a long delay is justified.
Having said that, I think your suggestions for leave options to be put to Parliament are realistic. I just wouldn’t want to see those options put to the public in a referendum.

LouiseCollins28 · 29/05/2019 10:40

Thanks redcar
I agree on not putting those to the public, I'm not in favour of multi choice option referendums either!

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