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Theresa May

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user1497997754 · 17/05/2019 06:41

I can't help feeling sorry for her....she must be feeling so alone and was very upset yesterday with having to state she will leave as our PM in June. She has worked so hard to deliver on Brexit and it looks like she won't be able to do this. I know she is not popular and not liked but even so you have to admire her tenacity in trying. I just feel she has been bullied and that is not nice. I personally wish her well and am grateful for all her efforts in trying to resolve this awful situation and I hope that when she leaves she can ignore all the nastiness that will follow.

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Bodoni · 17/05/2019 08:37

Article by Jonathan Forman pulled from publication in the Telegraph in 2016 after political pressure

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"Few who follow British politics would deny that she is a deadly political infighter. Indeed Theresa May is to Westminster what Cersei Lannister is to Westeros in Game of Thrones: no one who challenges her survives unscarred; the welfare of her realm is a much lower priority than her craving for power. …

David Laws’ memoirs paint a vivid picture of a secretive, rigid, controlling, even vengeful minister, so unpleasant to colleagues that a dread of meetings with her was something that cabinet members from both parties could bond over.

Unsurprisingly, Mrs May’s overwhelming concern with taking credit and deflecting blame made for a difficult working relationship with her department, just as her propensity for briefing the press against cabinet colleagues made her its most disliked member in two successive governments.

It is possible that Mrs May’s intimidating ruthlessness could make her the right person to negotiate with EU leaders. However, there’s little in her record to suggest she possesses either strong negotiation skills or the ability to win allies among other leaders."

So, not sorry for her. She's always been happy enough to kick others.

jasjas1973 · 17/05/2019 10:47

She was in the Cabinet that supported the referendum and she has been party to some very cruel and murderous policies.

She deserves to rot in hell for eternity.

DarlingNikita · 17/05/2019 11:36

Hostile environment, citizens of nowhere. Zero sympathy from me.

Yeah, me too. Don't give a flying one if she was 'upset'.

Peregrina · 17/05/2019 13:18

I do think those who vote Tory and couldn't get enough of her back in 2016 up to the election in 2017 should perhaps show her a modicum of sympathy.
For the rest of us - no.

Yaralie · 17/05/2019 14:03

"Let's get over feeling sorry for Theresa May" - comment from lady in QT audience.

TheFaerieQueene · 17/05/2019 14:19

She doesn’t illicit any sympathy from me. She in incompetent, amoral and spineless. I am more and more worried about the future of the UK as we are blighted with a generation of self serving liars as our leaders, whose motivations are murky to down right heinous.
There has to be a sea change in the political makeup of the UK or we will end up as little more than USA lite without an NHS or any meaningful social care, schools without decent teaching staff and an economy that is collapsing in on itself. The best and brightest will leave and we will only have ourselves to blame.
I’m fortunate to be able to hold an EU passport so can go if I wish.

Koolbeans · 22/05/2019 21:01

She'll be fine soon enough. She may jump before she's forced to resign, who knows?

I don't feel any sympathy for her. Thanks to her, many people are now citizens of nowhere, some if my family members included in that. She can take her hostile environment and do one.

Koolbeans · 22/05/2019 21:35

That should say gone not fine. She will never be fine.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 22/05/2019 22:18

I have zero sympathy for her. There is a difference between being tenacious and being stubborn.
If she hadn’t called a pointless GE in 2017, in which she lost her majority, we wouldn’t be being held to ransom by the DUP who she suddenly managed to find £1 billion for down the back of the sofa after saying that there was no money for health, social care or education.
It’s widely recognised that her election campaign was one of the worst in modern history. She didn’t have to call that election.
She had a working, if small, majority but it would have been enough to easily get Brexit through the HoC.
She decided to listen to her 2 advisors rather than the rest of her party.
Her and Cameron will go down in history as the 2 worst PMs in living memory.

Fawful · 22/05/2019 22:51

And Windrush was on her watch. There's no excuse for that, is there.

Oakenbeach · 22/05/2019 22:57

She had a working, if small, majority but it would have been enough to easily get Brexit through the HoC.

I disagree... based on the numbers who voted against the withdrawal agreement to date she wouldn’t have got Brexit through easily... Even if she had, there were probably enough ultras to have brought down the Government if it had looked like squeaking through.

wherearemychickens · 22/05/2019 23:02

Absolutely zero sympathy from me either - her only genuine talent appears to be making a bad situation worse with every choice she has to make. She goes the wrong way every single time. She's dogmatic, can't read a room, doesn't listen to advice, thinks her way is the only way, is ineptly tactical and utterly lacks the ability to think strategically, has based her entire Brexit strategy around reducing immigration in what appears to be an almost xenophobic way, has been dishonest from the start about the trade offs Brexit will demand.

wherearemychickens · 22/05/2019 23:03

At this point her refusal to accept reality and go just strikes me as stubbornness bordering on delusion.

madeyemoodysmum · 22/05/2019 23:03

A politician who isn’t pushed out or stabbed in the back by their own party is a rare one

Oakenbeach · 22/05/2019 23:04

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How prescient!

Oakenbeach · 22/05/2019 23:11

At this point her refusal to accept reality and go just strikes me as stubbornness bordering on delusion.

Disagree... there’s no “bordering on” anything, just straight up delusion.

I was listening to comparisons of her (inevitably very imminent) demise and Thatcher, and thought how quickly Thatcher recognised the game was up in comparison.... To be comparable TM would
have had to have resigned after the leadership election after her first “meaningful vote” defeat.

Surely the Cabinet will resign en masse in the next day or so if she doesn’t resign first.

wherearemychickens · 22/05/2019 23:20

The first time I thought 'she'll go now' was after the general election! How wrong was I!

mummmy2017 · 24/05/2019 23:34

Maybe get first thought was her tears were of anger...
Then I thought I was being silly...
Now the body language experts say it was temper.

Mistigri · 25/05/2019 07:16

I can't feel sorry for her either.

Sure she has a strong sense of public duty - but little sense of duty towards the public.

1tisILeClerc · 25/05/2019 07:37

Over Brexit, she has had the advice of her cabinet colleagues, civil service, the EU leaders, and the leaders of the USA, Japan and many others. If she can't take a hint from that lot then there is no sympathy whatsoever.
Even the slightest reflection about the results of her time as Home Secretary before that should have told her she was failing.
Even Hitler listened to his close friends but had an advantage in being a charismatic leader. Seeing what she has done with Windrush and other issues, perhaps we have been saved by her failure to get more of her ideology implemented.

1tisILeClerc · 25/05/2019 07:39

She has waffled on about wanting a good close relationship with the EU, but then insulted them by refusing to negotiate within the basic ground rules of the EU, some of which the UK put in place.

MeganBacon · 25/05/2019 07:53

She has tried to compromise and failed, and that's her undoing. I don't think she could have listened to all her advisers, she was doing that for a while but was criticised that no progress was being made whilst the clock was ticking, so from Chequers she went it alone. It's a job that requires an enormous intellect or if you don't have that, enormous charisma. Lack of empathy is just the complaint thrown at her now because she's a woman, but empathy is a bit irrelevant when you've got a massive job like that to do. She tried her best but it wasn't good enough. I hope the next leader has intellect (Rory Stewart?) but think we'll probably end up with the charismatic one.
There is still going to be no compromise on this, it'll be revoke or no deal.

1tisILeClerc · 25/05/2019 08:49

The UK HAS to negotiate with the EU in every scenario, there is no such thing as 'No deal'.
This process STARTS with the signing of the WA.
It is up to the UK whether it wants a transition period (say 5 years) and the EU will help make withdrawal as painless as possible, or the 'so called' No deal where the process will still take 9 months to a year but the EU will be withdrawing all unnecessary assistance. To illustrate this, the EU contingency plan for a 'no deal' is to permit flights, ferries and the passage of trucks. Technically according to law, they don't have to do this, they COULD simply refuse to allow flights and stop the ferries until the UK asks to negotiate.

1tisILeClerc · 25/05/2019 08:51

The UK 'Taking back control' is ONLY the activities on the island of Britain, and NI.
The UK can't 'demand' that anyone else trades with the UK, they are entitled to say no.

SingleDadReally · 25/05/2019 20:54

Please can we have considerably less of this feeling sorry. Theresa May has been a total disaster as PM and has achieved nothing in 3 years-I’d have been sacked from my job long ago on a similar performance. We are a developed country of 70 million people and deserve better.

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