Is anyone hopeful that the Independent Group will stop Brexit?

[Maykid]

Am I naive to think there is now some hope of Brexit being stopped?

In other news, the EU has published the withdrawal agreement in the Official Journal (OJEU).

This is not a thing the EU would do if the text was still open for negotiation.

Theresa is wasting her time trying to get it changed.

jas - no, because there are difficulties with deconstucting does not tell me that new construction is a bad idea at all. To the contrary.

difficulties with deconstucting

I think that families thrown into poverty, lost businesses, reduced tax take and countless other losses for NO discernible gain takes things to a whole new level of self harm.

Hatels- Most people are only a few months away from financial ruin... but i know a few people who think like this, the retired on final salary fixed pensions, the very well off and fools.

What category are you?

Tanith

LOL at the Maybot saying "Shitfest means Shitfest."

Like PP I’m hopeful but not mega confident.
I have no respect at all for the referendum result - it was not democratic at all! Judges in the latest court case have openly said that if the referendum had been binding, the findings of the Electoral Commission would have voided it. It is a loophole in the law that because it was advisory-only, there isn’t anything to void.

jas - another skint person in their 50s - single parent of a ds with ASD (dad disappeared) who I have negotiated through the SEN system to my own (willing) sacrifice. No pension at all, although I qualified for my full state through working and caring for others for 40+ years.

My Mum died 4 years ago, and I got a bit of inheritanceso me and ds moved to a cheaper area so I could buy a house for us to live in, still have paying a mortgage till I'm 67.

As I don't appear to fit any other category of yours, it seems I'm a "fool".

Good job I don't give a flying fuck what category you try and put me in; as you ain't even thought of yet little lovie girl.

The majority of people who voted, voted to leave.

Indeed

But with no idea that we'd end up with this fucking disastrous debacle

I think the only way a no deal can be averted would be to hope for Guy Fawks to rise from the dead and Finnish what he started.

Hatels then all i can presume is you want a harder life and to work even longer because that is what Brexit will do for you.

I'm not in your situation and brexit would have to be terrible before it really screwed me over, instead, i want a better society e.g where families with SENs kids get timely and sufficient help, where pension ages are lower, i do not blame the EU for the UKs spending priorities.

The economic model the UK will have to follow to avoid economic collapse will be a low tax, low public spending one (as already laid out by Hammond) - it won't be the Scandinavian high social provision one you are dreaming of.

@Backwoodsgirl , I'm guessing you mean that as a joke but terrorist murder of our politicians is not much of a laughing matter.
Google Jo Cox and Airey Neave or even Stephen Twigg (who survived). We don't want to go anywhere near that route.

The result of the referendum is not in itself a reason to leave because of the multiple breaches of electoral law, because nobody voted for either No Deal or the WA, because it was non-binding and because changes in the composition of the electorate then mean there's probably a Remain majority now.

However, it would appear that it's happening anyway and so no, I don't really see the IG as a force that'll stop that. I do see them as potentially having a role to play to prevent No Deal, which has to be the immediate priority.

As I understand it, if they get enough members and form an actual group, they could oust the DUP and prop up TM’s government. They could agree to do this on the basis that they will back May’s deal IF there is a referendum on it. The referendum would be WA or remain.

However, the timeline seems so tight now that I can only see this happening if TM arranges to delay the withdrawal date, which I can’t see happening either. I still think no deal seems most likely at the moment.

They can't oust the DUP to prop up TM. The numbers don't work.

No, I don't think either the Labour or Tory defectors will stop Brexit. However, if they managed to break their respective parties, in their current form, I will regard that as a success. In the case of the Tory party, if they are out of power for the rest of my expected life time i.e. 25 to 30 years then that will be a bonus.

Decorum prevented her from saying "Shitfest" in public.

I'd admire her if she got up in the HoC one day and said 'Look it is Shitfest'. Let's rethink.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/other/brexit-this-mother-of-parliaments-has-lost-control-of-its-children

From this article I used to think the prime minister wasn’t ruthless or nihilistic enough to pull the plug on the British people. I was wrong. Even now, May refuses to put the country before her party or herself. History will take care of her. But now that the first line of defence has been run down, it is time to seek back-up. We need the people we elected to serve and defend us. We need our MPs, of all parties and all descriptions. Parliament must now screw its courage to the sticking-place, or it will screw us all.

I really hope they do, I think it's unlikely though.

Shitfest indeed

I’m still trying to hope that Brexit will be stopped and we try and return to normality. FOR those who voted leave, try to think about the impact onto those of us, living in the UK but not British.

FOR those who voted leave, try to think about the impact onto those of us, living in the UK but not British.

Quite honestly, a significant number of Leavers neither know nor care. Nor do they have the imagination to think that suppose they left to live in another country and made it their home, how would they cope with a precarious existence?

@Peregrina - one of the problems is that many Leavers think that having a British passport is something special. I never thought I’d be so grateful that I have kept my EU passport and DH and DC’s have Canadian.

This is a good sign (posted it on other thread too). At least people will know what they are letting themselves in for.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/independent-group-government-contempt-publish-no-deal-brexit-advice-a8795831.html

I don't know the ins and outs of parliamentary procedure but if the request for information via the Commons was withdrawn (as the article seems to suggest), I don't see how they can lodge an action for parliamentary contempt. And, anyway, surely that is for the speaker to decide.
We have a month left. This reads like showboating. Fair enough, show boat away. It's better than nothing. But it would appear to be only slightly better than nothing.