What's going to happen to my friend? She lives in Germany?

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Her DH is German and her 3 children have never lived anywhere else...my friend moved there with her DH when they got married.

She's terrified. Their whole life is there...her kids are young teens! She can't go to England...this is terrible. She's had a letter and is in a blind panic....she says they're saying she may not be able to stay. :(

I suspect a bit of shit stirring

Well gosh, like the poo troll but Brexit

I beg your fucking pardon? I do NOT have "Form" my post about my own return is genuine. I have a lot of friends abroad...I didn't come back to my thread because DD had a nightmare. Whatever though! I have spoken to my friend and she's calmed down...yes...she CAN apply for citizenship...she was having a drama queen moment on social media and I took her post as truthful....it WAS truthful, she is afraid but it's a bit dramatic.

Well, given you have spoken on another Brexit thread, predicting the return of workhouses within five years in the UK, I think shower kind of has a point...

And as for 'whatever though!' how old are you, 12?

Rage If you go through ANYONE who posts on the Brexit boards account, you will see multiple messages ABOUT Brexit.

As for "are you 12?" ....are you? Your comeback was just as childish as mine.

Quite possibly - I'm not very mature for an old lady. But at least I don't go around spreading misinformation based on frigging hearsay bollocks.
Drama Llamas love company.

OP - I owe you a massive apology, I am very sorry for doubting your motives and for making out you were a drama llama.
Each Bundesland is now sending out letters - we got ours yesterday.
Germany, unlike Netherlands, is giving Brits three months to sort out their affairs. We have until the 29th June. This has only just been decided afaik.
I met some expats yesterday - the ones who, for various reasons, didn't take up dual citizenship, or whose applications are still in the system or who didn't want citizenship full-stop and many were as upset as your friend as to the relatively short timescale, so I can see now why she would have been upset/may have overreacted.

The other information you have been given, however, is correct.
If she is married to a German with children born in Germany, this will form the basis of her right to stay/get a residency card-visa...like the American spouses with German-born children do. Or she can become a German citizen but having sat on that decision for 2 years (maybe her German is not fluent, maybe she couldn't afford it at the time, no idea) she will now have to renounce her British citizenship I would have thought - as a pp said, such applications take longer than a month: she might get lucky in that the date she applied/got it in, is taken into account but leaving it to the last minute was unwise if she wanted dual.
There should be no problems with long term residency though but she only has the next quarter to sort that - if she is family-insured on her husband's health insurance then that should stay the same/pensions might be a grey area.

Hope that helps, again I am sincerely sorry - I am an immature twat, but I am mature enough to step up when I have maligned a poster/got it wrong.

Hope you have a nice holiday in March and that any Brexit chaos does not affect you personally. At least you can hoof it back to Oz!

One person in Bavaria just got their citizenship processed in 3 weeks: world record! so your friend might get lucky, provided they have all the paperwork for their application. as they say in the Great Escape Good luck

@RageAgainstTheVendingMachine

I think you just broke the internet

@RageAgainstTheVendingMachine "Each Bundesland is now sending out letters - we got ours yesterday."

which Bundesland are you in (if you don't mind sharing?) I haven't heard anything.
Although when I (finally got round to) submitting my docs they did say that in our Kreis they'd decided to fast-track the Brits and that we should hear back before BrexitDay.

I'm still Very Annoyed Indeed that I'm having to do this though.

Fake news

Project fear.

@Brefugee Bavaria - letters received Friday lunchtime (including women with kids born here yes, so no, @Tippexy the OP wasn't wrong hence my apology to her - that her friend, myself and others can either get visas/residency permits or citizenship does not mean that the 3 months is not a bloody short timescale and the admin isn't a ball ache).
Getting such a letter does bring it home to you - there in black and white it spells it out you will no longer be European.
That's Project Crying Bloody Shame.
@Brefugee am I correct in that you have to prove you are self-sufficient with payslips? What if you are reliant on your partner's income and they are not German nor going to be? Do their payslips count alone or only if they are German/applying to be German?

@RageAgainstTheVendingMachine

The documentation we had to submit (we're all Brits, adult kids studing/training here) was:

me and Mr. Brefugee: last 3 months payslips, birth & marriage certs with notarised translations, original certificate of passing the Einbürgurungstest, letter from the VHS confirming our language skills (we had to go for an assessment - if they hadn't been able to detect B1 level we'd have had to do the course/test), we didn't have to submit any docs about being integrated, a CV and a photo.

The forms that you fill in cover your history pretty much and include a part where you enter the income of all members of the family so I'm guessing that if one is a SAHP that will be covered there. You also have to enter other income such as Kindergeld and other.

If you're relying on a partner's income and they aren't / won't be German I'm guessing it will all depend on their nationality and permission to reside/work in the EU. TBH it's not something I've ever considered.

Good luck, if you decide to apply, though.

Also for any Brits in Germany - you don't have much time but IIRC the German government said anyone that actually submits their docs before B-Day will be allowed (most likely - not actually definite) to keep their British citizenship alongside their shiny new German one. So if you've been waiting and not ready to take the last step - it's worth doing.

You only pay the money, btw, when you get your certificate, not when you apply if that's putting anyone off.

I think we're coming back Brefugee - certainly, I am personally stuffed as far as pension rights go. DH and the kids will be okay if they wanted to return in the future, it's just me who will be screwed but I cannot see myself retiring/dying here and I am not getting any younger. Hope you get your citizenship through soon - have heard some are holding ceremonies March 28th

That’s right Brefugee
We live in The Uk but DH got German/British dual nationality thanks to a nice little loophole last September and then the DC got it in December
In order to get dual it DID have to be Pre Brexit
Just me joining the “gammon queue” at the airport as DH so charmingly puts it!

thanks @RageAgainstTheVendingMachine (most excellent name, btw)

One thing that is worrying us is our pensions - we'll just have to see how that goes (we're both entitled to pensions from our time in the UK) and hope for the best. I think we'll be able to open basic bank accounts in the UK and have them paid into those and hope we can access the money.

Apparently my area has a lot of citizenship stuff going on so no ceremonies - just turn up, hand over your payment and get a certificate! Friends of mine have had lovely ceremonies but I'm not sure if I'm jealous or not. I'll settle for being able to sleep at nights instead of lying there worrying about stuff.

@Hoppinggreen lol at "gammon queue" - I'm not joining that if I can help it. My UK passport only has a year left and it's too expensive to renew.

She'll be able to stay - my friend who is not married to a German, they live together, has applied for (and received) German citizenship. But she would have stayed there long enough to be able to stay anyway. She said she would not have applied if she had had to give up her British nationality, but because she has applied while the UK is still in the EU she can keep her British nationality. I believe 8 years residence is enough for permanent residency and that's without being married to a German.

I also live in Germany and miss London so much I fantasize every day of Angela Merkel ringing my doorbell and insisting I get in the taxi now for Hamburg airport. So it's not gonna happen

I live in the UK and would be delighted if Angela Merkel knocked on my door and told me to go to Hamburg airport. Living in Hamburg would not be a hardship at all!

Can't Brits apply for asylum in Germany after Brexit, anyway? I know I am being somewhat facetious but there is no way Germany is going to throw British nationals out.

AFAIK it hasn't been confirmed by the German government that in the case of Brexit it is 100% guaranteed that Brits who have applied for dual nationality will be able to keep it.

As I was told it all depends on what happens, but your best chance of being able to keep it would be to submit all documentation before 29th March. If the hard Brexit really happens, the German govt will then have to consider what their position is going to be. My best guess is that they will try to achieve the similar type of compromise that they have with Turkish citizenship and allow both. But at this point nobody knows. The key take-away from this is: apply before the end of March.

And if you have to do the Einbürgerungstest, the integration test/course (maybe only for non-Europeans, i didn't have to do that)and the language test (or have it certified that your skills are above B1 standard, which is possible if you can speak German) you may already be out of time.

I still haven't received a letter from my Bundesland. I'm feeling all left out now! (or it could be that I won't get one because I have already started the process)