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Is Ireland preparing for a 'no-deal'?

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Ifailed · 30/01/2019 10:22

A quick question to our Irish friends, if there's a no deal brexit, and hence a possibility of disruption to the movement of fresh food from Europe to the UK, does Ireland have any plans?
It might be a daft question as I don't know how much fresh produce destined for Ireland travels via the UK - does it all come via ferry from Roscoff?

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CountessConstance · 03/02/2019 10:49

There is something in the tone of Brexit threads here recently that worries me.
It seems as if the blame for any post-leave chaos/shortages/violence will be left at Ireland's door.

Anyone else see this?

beanaseireann · 03/02/2019 10:50

What sort of things should we be stocking up if we live in Ireland ?
Many UK retailers here so I presume goods will become a whole lot more expensive because of tariffs etc.

RavenWings · 03/02/2019 10:53

Really now, if we're talking about bizarre attitudes and statements from ministers, the UK have plenty of those to show. Us Irish have handled ourselves much better.

Mistigri · 03/02/2019 10:58

Ifailed yes for sure, there are grave risks for Ireland in no deal. And even some food produced in Ireland is processed over the border, so a hard border poses really serious short term issues in more way than one.

doIreallyneedto · 03/02/2019 11:01

@Spinflight - the role and attitude of the Irish government is rather perplexing.

The attitude of the Irish government has been extremely consistent and very clear. We are not willing to accept a deal that results in the breaking of the GFA.

CountessConstance · 03/02/2019 11:01

But Spinflight it would be naive to imagine that Ireland hasn't considered and planned for a hard border.
You are leaving the EU; there is a long history of the Ireland/N Ireland border being used by smugglers and terrorists.

Ireland is protecting it's security and economic integrity. That's logical... not perplexing at all.

doIreallyneedto · 03/02/2019 11:05

I've been checking labels of products and adding some extras to my shopping if they are imported. Problem is though, people will substitute with locally produced products if imports aren't available so I think I need to start looking at those too.

ElspethFlashman · 03/02/2019 11:18

I don't know anyone who has started to stockpile. I'd say public confidence is very very high. Sure, certain brands may be affected, but we'll be fine.

There seems to have been a lot of preparations since the start. A lot of money has been poured into contingency. Even the Passport office has gotten vast investment to cope with the flood of applications.

The government is fairly sensible and there hasn't been much bipartisan fighting. Sinn Fein are occasionally annoying but that's Mary Lou for you. Everyone else has been mostly aware of the needs to not bicker too much at a time like this. It all seems to be fairly stable. And we're not alone.

RollerJed · 03/02/2019 11:32

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beanaseireann · 03/02/2019 15:05

What sort of things are Irish people stock piling ?

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 03/02/2019 15:44

@beanaseireann I don't think people in Ireland are necessarily 'stockpiling', at least not to the extent that some in the UK are but then part of that (in the UK I mean) is fear of civil disturbance as much as no food - plenty of posters have said they want to avoid having to go to supermarkets in the days after Brexit day as they are worried things could get a bit fraught as stocks run low.

BTW the so called 'Brexit Buster' ferry is actually to by-pass the UK, not to go between Ireland and UK as posted earlier. That on it's own of course doesn't mean there'll be no shortages but you're not talking empty supermarket shelves, rather delays and I imagine some higher prices. Remember we'll still be members of the EU whereas a big part of the problem for the UK is that they'll have no trade deals in place if they crash out.

I tend to keep my cupboards and freezers well stocked anyway but will probably aim to get some extras of any favorite brands. Also, there are some products from eg Boots/Superdrug/Tesco etc that we use and will get plenty of those in over the next few weeks.

beanaseireann · 03/02/2019 16:37

Thank you

Rdoo · 03/02/2019 18:02

No malice intended to my neighbours, though.... the role and attitude of the Irish government is rather perplexing.

What is it about their position that you find perplexing?
It's quite easy understand when by one simple explanation, they consider the protection of the Good Friday Agreement to be their number 1 priority.

JustHereForThePooStories · 03/02/2019 18:13

I think Ireland will be fine.

My husband's company have just had one of their biggest clients move a £150bn contract from London to Dublin.
Barclays have moved over £230bn.

allthatmalarkey · 03/02/2019 19:00

ROI and France have both spent tens if not hundreds of millions on preparing for no-deal Brexit - some of it on port facilities and staff, some on business preparation, money they could have spent on other things.
I feel ashamed of us at the moment. Most British people seem to have no idea the trouble and anxiety we are causing our nearest neighbours. They didn't vote for Brexit. I have Irish family and friends. The Irish people and politicians have been exceptionally polite in public under the circumstances, but the stuff I hear privately suggests they are absolutely furious with us. As Europe and most of the world see us as the bad guys for our treatment of Ireland in the past, the British people with the 'well they should compromise' attitude make me so embarrassed about how we look right now. I thought we had moved on, but it seems I was wrong.

elizabethdraper · 03/02/2019 21:00

The "brexit buster ferry" is set-up to transport goods etc between Dublin and the UK.
It's actually to by-pass the UK.
www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-busting-ferry-launched-from-dublin-port-1.3468760

The for pass 12 months the irish government has been running free courses and seminars to help business and non-profit organisations manage Brexit.

There will be some food shortages but not enough to "starve them out of it".

Ireland is one of the worlds must food secure countries.

CountessConstance · 03/02/2019 21:27

Ireland is one of the worlds must food secure countries
[https://foodsecurityindex.eiu.com/Index which is quite poignant]] really, given our history.
Though, as any Irish school child knows, even during the Famine, we exported lots of food to Britain and further.

allthatmalarkey I agree, I thought we had moved on.

I remember seeing the Queen bow her head at the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin; I showed my children the pictures in the newspapers. I found it very moving.
It was very symbolic of how far it seemed we had moved....the goodwill generated by her visit was immense and is being squandered.

Personally, I hope that it won't be a disaster for you.
I hope your prepping is for nothing.
I hope that there will be a People's Vote at some point; it seems anti-democratic not too.
I hope that you will be seeking re-admission sometime soon.

CountessConstance · 03/02/2019 21:28

Oh bugger. Link fail.
here

That'll teach me to preview messages.

ElspethFlashman · 03/02/2019 21:36

There is also a sister ship to the Brexit Buster. They're called the Delphine and the Celine and together take over 1000 lorries a day.

Cork Port is also being massively devoloped. It has already ferry links with Spain and I heard today on the radio they're developing the Zeebrugge/Rotterdam route too.

It sounds like the government basically told the import/export community immediately after the Referendum "We'll give you money for new infrastructure if you work out how to avoid the UK cos we can't trust them as far as we can throw them"

FishesaPlenty · 03/02/2019 21:41

Interestingly 1,000 lorries per day is roughly the current throughput of Dublin port

AfterSchoolWorry · 03/02/2019 21:48

Does anyone know if pharmaceuticals will be affected here?

Prescription items?

MayFayner · 03/02/2019 21:51

the role and attitude of the Irish government is rather perplexing.

Makes perfect sense to us Smile

Magenta46 · 03/02/2019 22:04

I don't see why people are panicking. We won't starve and well will have to adopt more ethical farming practice in the UK. I say bring on Brexit.

1tisILeClerc · 03/02/2019 22:09

{I don't see why people are panicking. We won't starve and well will have to adopt more ethical farming practice in the UK. I say bring on Brexit.}

Shame this thread is about Ireland's preparations. RoI and the rest of the EU will be working hard to make sure that Ireland's citizens are not badly affected.

shins · 03/02/2019 22:54

Perplexing. What's perplexing is that we didn't create this mess but are expected to take any hit necessary, including reigniting a civil war that took decades to end. And I say that as someone who has many family and other connections to the UK, and who has great affection for the place and its people in general. Sad