The "good old days"

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Ended up having yet another 'discussion' tonight with my mum who voted leave (as did my dad).

I was telling her why I'm scared and worried about the future and she just kept going on about how her parents and granddad had lived during the war and they didn't have much to eat but they made do with what they had and blah blah. And how they didn't have much heating. I'm not even sure what she was getting at but I asked her if she was wanting to go back to those days. She said they were happy.

She then went on to complain about "those things" (I was holding my mobile phone at the time) and other "gadgets" that we have now so I said, what has that got to do with the EU?! "Life was much better before we had all that!" was her answer. So let's stop progress and go back to when we were all poorer, less healthy and with less opportunities. Great.

Life in the 60s and 70s was better
For whom? Not women. Not BAME folk. Not Catholics in NI. Not gay people. Not me.

In 2019 I speak to people and people speak to me. If no one wants to talk to you LadyKalila, it's not the fault of the EU or the 21st century technology that you are currently blaming, whilst using to communicate with others.

It's interesting the way these conversations go. I was born in the mid 50s so remember 3 day weeks, power cuts and much reduced variety of choices from food to careers. But what I would say is that the country managed ok when we were in much more dire straights than now so I'm sure we will manage ok if a no deal Brexit comes about.

I think this is what your older relatives are trying to get at. Not that it was necessarily better then but that we managed.

We also managed ok before the EU. But I have no interest in going back to colonial times or am harping back to then just because I mentioned the per EU world. I would mention it in the same context in that everything worked before so there is no reason to think we will just collapse into a heap without the EU looking after us.

What is managed ok?

It's one thing to manage because you are fighting a war, or recovering from a war. It's quite another to have to manage because you have deliberately sabotaged the economy. This is after you have told people more than two years earlier that the economy would start booming and people would be rushing to do trade with us. Instead we see the noisy leading lights of Leave upping sticks and taking their money and business elsewhere.

LeClerc

A lot of men feel uncomfortable at professional basketball games when the dancers come out to perform. For some men these women are generally young enough to be their daughters, they well may have wives or girlfriends sitting besides them which makes them feel too self-conscious to actually enjoy the performance.

These are more or less the same reasons some NFL owners are canceling the cheerleader squads.

The reason for much smaller swimsuits was that in WW2 they needed more fabric for the war effort - hence the bikini.

The U.K. may have to bring back the mini-skirt in a massive way if there is a shortage of fabric for clothing. Also perhaps hot pants, short-shorts, and barely there halter tops.

More visual pleasure / torture for the menfolk.

xebob - what the H... are you on about? The bikini wasn't invented because of fabric shortages in the War!!! It was invented in 1946 .

Peregrina, is the economy tanking? - No. Have we left yet? - No.

We can't complete any trade deals until we have left and until the situation is more stable and everyone knows what is happening no country is going to sign anything.

We can't complete any trade deals until we have left and until the situation is more stable and everyone knows what is happening no country is going to sign anything.

This was not the Leave narrative - easiest deals in history, signed in an afternoon. We didn't hear anything about lack of stability. We should at least have a long queue of firms expressing interest in coming here. So far, what? An expression of interest from Israel and New Zealand, I recall. What about India rushing to do trade deals with us? Nope, not happening unless we give them visas.

"Not that it was necessarily better then but that we managed."

Except NOT EVERYONE DID! As has been pointed out on this very thread, diseases that have now been eradicated or all but killed, people died in industrial and road accidents they wouldn't now, awful levels of poverty and homelessness (which we seem to be bloody heading back to!)...

So NO not EVERYONE "managed"

"It's one thing to manage because you are fighting a war, or recovering from a war. It's quite another to have to manage because you have deliberately sabotaged the economy." This too brexit is unnecessary and a no deal one is DEFINITELY unnecessary. The stupidity of not recognising this is shocking!!

"We can't complete any trade deals until we have left and until the situation is more stable and everyone knows what is happening no country is going to sign anything." Our politicians could have

1 defined WHAT brexit would be BEFORE triggering art 50

2 made arrangements on trade and got pre-agreements in place "if X happens"

They've handled things appallingly incompetently from the bloody start!

Doubletrouble

Well, officially yes, when Louis Reard named his two piece swimsuit the " bikini ".

The two piece swimsuit had though been around for some time. According to Wikipedia , in 1942 the United States War Production Board issued Regulation L-85, mandating a 10% reduction in the amount of fabric in women's beachwear. Swimsuit manufactures then increased production of the two-piece swimsuit with bare midriffs.

There wasn't much interest in going to the beach in Europe due to the ongoing war effort.

A question I have though is that a lot of foreign companies that invested millions of pounds in the U.K. that will lose out in a no-deal event are going to want to sue through their governments the U.K. for monetary losses.

What would make these respective governments then eager to establish new trade deals with the U.K when their own companies just got burned by the U.K.?

That might seem to be a problem.

Graphista - The fact that people died in the past from deseases that have now be virtually eradicated and the fact that health and safety was very far from what it is now has little or nothing to do with the suggestions that remainers have been trying to make, that if we do have no deal we would be short of food. It's not going to be Armageddon, we are not going to time travel back 50 years we are not going to be scrapping all our health ad safety rules or we will be suddenly disease ridden!!

Xebob - I'm really not interested in an obscure fact about a 10% reduction in swimwear fabric in the US, it really had no relevance to our position in the UK then, during the war or now!

xebobfromUS
The likes of Nissan, who have a big assembly plant in the NE of the UK have, I believe 'guarantees' that the UK would remain in the EU so yes the possibility of being sued for 'breach of contract' in some form is quite high.

But I do t want to “manage ok”. Because that would suck. Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if I’d never known better, but frankly going from my current situation to ‘ok’ because half the people I share a country with made a dumb decision for a variety of reasons (mostly pants) is not fine.

But I’m marketable. So I suppose that if SHTF I’ll look (more seriously) to emigrate.

You seem to have misunderstood my post.

I AM a remainer & prepper (as far as I can be)

We Remainers aren't saying that's what will happen, but that the Rose tinted nostalgic view brexiteers have about the past is not what the reality was!

Plus with austerity policies we are actually seeing some things from the "good old days" returning.

Rising homelessness, poverty & old diseases like tickets, tb & scarlet fever are on the rise.

It's shameful!

Argh autocorrect

RICKETS not tickets

"It was so much better in the !"

"OK, so how about