What is TM trying to do now?!

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Labour aren’t supporting her WA and she can’t just submit Plan A again.

If she tries to make changes to the backstop so that the DUP/JRM and the hard Brexiteers are happy, surely the EU won’t agree?

Correct, but it winds the clock down and ratchets up the pressure, WA or no-deal anyone?

Already said, I cave. WA is better than No Deal.

So as the time ticks on, we career into a No Deal. Great.

Better no deal than a deal with unacceptable terms. Theresa May is offering a)shit deal or b)no deal. She is also offering the EU the opportunity to turn the shit deal into a decent deal. They have no obligation to do that, of course, but then by default it will be No Deal on 29th March. No Deal will be hard on the UK in the short term, it will be a complete nightmare for the 'united states of the EU'. We are much more nimble and outward looking and will adapt much faster. In that respect, I believe that before the 29th March, shit deal will be turned into OK deal whatever the EU say now.

If it didn't mean the country was completely fucked, it would be funny watching her trying to find a resolution to this. As it is, it's the most depressing thing in the world.

Don't need the EU to tell me that No Deal would be a national catastrophe.
Shit deal is not anywhere near as bad.

Shit deal is terrible for the UK. Worse than being in the EU in the first place and completely contradictory to the vote to leave. It will be like some kind of Orwellian limbo which, should a remainer become PM in the future will be used to herd us back to where they believe we belong.

No Deal will be hard on the UK in the short term

Even Rees Mogg acknowledges it could take fifty years to get back on track after a no deal Brexit. I'd love to know what you class as long term!

But no Deal would be dreadful for more than a week or two. Proper dreadful.

I don't think she understands what a negotiation is. She's incapable of having a fluid discussion.

No Deal will be disastrous for decades.

Whatever she's doing it's clearly not running down the clock, only she suffers with that, Becayse the timelines are set and there is already a motion being created to allow parliament to take control and revoke article 50. She has no time to run down. She's back next Monday for another debate in parliament.

So whatever it is, she ain't running Down the clock.

Better no deal than a deal with unacceptable terms
Better for who?

Becayse the timelines are set and there is already a motion being created to allow parliament to take control and revoke article 50.

How and when does this motion get considered?

It's an amendment to a motion, proposed by Dominic Grieve to allow a MINORITY of 300 MPs to take over the order of business in parliament in order to force a vote on extending article 50, with the aim of pushing for a 2nd referendum. It is against convention, is unprecedented and normally would be laughed out of parliament. Bercow set a precedent last week, however, by doing away with hundreds of years of constitutional precedent, by allowing a backbench MP amendment against the advice of his advisors and showing his bias and lack of respect for democracy. It almost caused a riot in parliament. If he did it once, he is likely to allow Grieve's amendment next week. Shocking stuff.

In a nutshell, Bercow, the impartial referee of the HoC is actively working against the British electorate in order to bring about a result that he wants. He is collaborating with MPs in order to do so. The whole things is horrifying. If you think NO Deal Brexit is wrecking the country, the things some members of Government are doing to overturn the vote should worry all of us far more, regardless of what you voted for.

Not members of government, sorry, members of parliament.

"working against the British electorate"

But the British electorate were lied to during the election, Big Red Bus, enough said. The Leave campaign also broke electoral law and have been find.

Many people don't accept the vote, it was too close to say the lies and electoral fraud, did not affect the result. The only fair outcome is another vote. now we all know all the facts.

Basically missus explained it. I think it gets debated next week. But it's a very real possibility that parliament are able to take control off the government and revoke it and Bercow seems happy to lose the possible peerage to prevent no deal.

The ref was advisory, which is why it wasn't subject to the legal constraints that would have it thrown out if it was binding.

Stupid, pretend referendum, giving us more issues than an ACTUAL LEGAL referendum would have. An actual referendum for major, long-lasting constitutional change should be a super-majority. And no one should be flouting law and manipulating the media either.

In the short term, it will be a complete nightmare for the 'united states of the EU'. We are much more nimble and outward looking and will adapt much faster.

^This.

I jest. It did give me a chuckle though. The above delusional 'outlook' is what caused this mess in the first place.

It’s all so confusing.

I can’t see that enough of a majority will be able to agree on anything to get it passed through.

If we were nimble and outward looking our trade deficit wouldn't be so bad! There's lots of words that would much better suit the attitude of this and previous governments. Complacent and an overwhelming sense of entitlement would be more apt. As Australia pointed out as part of the EU we were a top tier country. We are going to have to adjust to bring a stable middle tier country after brexit.

Nimble. What does that really mean? The Sick Man of Europe dancing around in an empty room for the next few decades waving a union jack while the rest of the world continues to do business with grownups?

I don't even live in the UK and I'm very worried for the people who will suffer terribly under no deal.

We are much more nimble and outward looking and will adapt much faster

We can't even organise a bloody traffic jam. 65K spent on a failed fecking traffic jam.

I have zero faith in us being able to adapt at all.