Westministenders: BAH HUMBUG said Mr Rees-Mogg

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"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge Rees-Mogg, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons hostels?"

"Plenty of prisons hostels..."

"And the Union workhouses foodbanks." demanded Scrooge Jacob. "Are they still in operation?"

"Both very busy, sir..."

"Those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge ^Rees-Mogg, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

He continued "Besides I do not believe that anyone would die without them. I think Theresa is right, there are many complex reasons why nurses go to food banks. The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them. To have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are"

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This thread is dedicated to Mrs8 and anyone else who is working to make life just a little better in the difficult circumstances that ALL politicians are currently doing their best to ignore (despite what they profess).

No Deal = even more poverty and destitution.

MERRY CHRISTMAS & HERES HOPING FOR A HAPPIER NEW YEAR
especially to those of you, who might be having a tough time or facing real uncertainity.

The better off and / or those with professional qualifications in demand can leave
The rest ... will be be staying

I am not on the brink of destitution and could comfortably survive the price of everything rising by 10% due to Brexit. However, I am aware that many people are not in this fortunate situation - and this is one of the reasons I oppose Brexit, because I think that the economically vulnerable will suffer most.

I know about the cuts to benefits scenario hence turning my garden into an allotment! Its called forward planning bigchoc. and I think its been said on here before the poor really are not thinking about the 'braindrain' at the minute. As everyone does, they are thinking about their own particular circumstances, in their cases like feeding their families, keeping the roof over their head and putting enough money in the meters. But, please stop panicking. Keep clear heads. I sometimes don't believe there will even be a brexit. But just in case I'm preparing, calmly, and material things ( having the advantage of having only the bare essentials, like something to sleep on, to sit on, to eat on, to cook on and a roof over my head) have absolutely no priority in my thinking. And there's always the pawn shop

As I said, the poor are resilient, after all they have been around for hundreds of years...

Got all my seeds for ' growing' for Britain already!

If everyone leaves 'bigchoc' then only the poor will remain, but they won't be poor anymore because there won't be no one to compare them with if all the better off clear off. Nope that scenario ain't gonna happen to any big effect.

Only one of your reasons irenethequaint?

sos The brain drain and flight of businesses is important, because it reduces the money available for benefits and public services
The better off pay a high % of the tax collected, so if there are fewer of them, it has a significant effect on how much the government has to spend.
Those earning under about 35k p.a. during their employed years will be a net financial burden over their lives

My dad grew up during the 1920s and 1930s in the NE
He came from a wc family which never had "material things" other than the basics, but had sufficient in normal times
However, during the Depression, they didn't even have enough of the basics - they went barefoot and hungry

It won't get that bad after Brexit, but it is a complete fallacy that the poorest, those with nothing, will cope best in an economic crash

jasjas I survived/surviving longer than 6 months so my pip got cut down last week. Benefit cuts no shock to me.

The better off who decide to remain may even have a better quality of life,
because they can take their pick of people desperate for work cleaning or gardening and for lower wages.

Those with income in other currencies will prosper, as the lower pound will be like a pay rise for them

I agree the poor will be hit the worst bigchoc and most might not have the ability to forward plan. I have only stated how .y family and I will cope. But I stick to the bit about the poor being stronger than you think when it comes to push and shove. Yes, I do understand the impact with high earners leaving. But if you think some countries of the EU will be completely unscathed with a no deal brexit I may tend towards the opposite view.

What I can't understand is that JCs request to cut short parliaments recess was thought a 'stupid request' by the Tories. Now there is a prime example if see no evil, hear no evil but say all evil. Pffft!

All countries in Europe will be hit to some extent by a No Deal Brexit.

However, only one country is having to make emergency plans for food, medicines, water purification etc
Only 1 country has lost all of its trade deals with the entire world, not just the EU

The pain will be hugely disproportionate

17 million and decreasing rapidly by the day Sos. 17 million should be allowed to destroy the country because they will be upset in varying degrees, if we don't let them ? Are their feelings really worth more than the other 48 million inhabitants ? Seriously ?

And please don't try to go down the destitute bingo route, because I have been there with bells on, long before foodbanks, you needed food, you got into debt, provident loans, handing your child benefit book over to the corner shop so you could buy shit food on a tab, Bailiffs turning up at the hostel door looking for previous occupants and laughing at your meagre possessions which could be carted about in one sodding black sack. I am truly sorry you are having a rough time because you sound like a genuine person, but there are people who are living the life I once lived who are going to be made to live a much harder one as a result of this Brexit shambles. I don't think it is worth putting them through that just so a minority of the population don't get upset. Maybe you do ?

England should LEAVE the UK because it’s the only way we’ll be able to quit the EU, leading Brexiteer claims

Another of the many changes Brexiters never mentioned before the ref:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8068963/england-leave-uk-to-quit-eu/

Ex-Ukip leader Diane James has called for England to break away from the United Kingdom

frumpety I too have been through that hence why I have always helped people worse off than me. And thank you I'm 100% genuine and agree there will be consequences that may be far reaching. All I ask is if brexit does not happen will all the people against brexit do what I and many others do, I'm sure, on here and put all the energy they used against brexit, into helping the poor in a meaningful way?

Well, no surprise there bigchoc in a me first society.

That question I raised is one to ponder....

John Redwood gets knighthood in New Year's Honours list 🤮🤮

The most batshit far right Tory and Thatcherite

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46700430

Did he decide to vote for May's deal in the end then? What's he getting it for? Services to Wales or for promotion of modern British car brands.

I did that BBC quiz too.

My spiritual home is Bangladesh.

This comes as quite a surprise to me.

So May is trying to bribe Redwood, is she? It won't work.

Tonsilss

I am not sure what plans if any the UK would have for fuel distribution in case of a national emergency.

I remember reading prior to Y2K basically how the U.S. Government would prioritize fuel distribution if Y2K turned out to be very disruptive.

Farms would get the utmost priority ahead of everyone else. Next on the list would be transportation from the farms to processing facilities for crops or direct to the food stores.

Hospitals would be next after food transportation ( fuel for ambulances and diesel for generators to keep the hospital powered in case of electrical blackouts ).

Last on the list would be public transport. It might be difficult to arrange that unless you had a very good reason for needing it.

If you live in a city then ideally you would live close enough to work to be able to walk or bicycle to it, same for food shopping, a trip to a dentist or to a hospital.

I don't think the surrounding countries would allow or want the UK to totally run out of fuel if for no other reason that they wouldn't want a horde of angry, starving Brits arriving on their shores.

They would probably assist the UK through emergency measures with a minimal amount of fuel to keep that from happening. Deals for fuel could probably be worked out but that would require a good bit of time so meanwhile the UK would have to severely ration and prioritize who gets what it terms of fuel.

Personally I think that if times get real tough then kids will want to be with a parent or parents just so they feel safer even if conditions are the same all over.

'Labour's Alan Campbell, and Conservatives John Redwood and Gary Streeter.
The unexpected knighthood last month for MP John Hayes prompted speculation Downing Street would seek to use honours as an incentive to persuade politicians to back the PM's Brexit deal.
However, decisions on awards for political service are made by an independent committee and the Cabinet Office stressed Theresa May's "strategic steer" for this honours list had been that it supported those working to help children and tackle discrimination.'

Seems no-deal is being normalised.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46704522

The UK will spend more than £100m chartering extra ferries to ease "severe congestion" at Dover, in the case of a no-deal Brexit.

(contd)

What a shame they couldn't find any deserving poor in the UK that could use £108 million .