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Westministenders: BAH HUMBUG said Mr Rees-Mogg

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RedToothBrush · 20/12/2018 23:27

"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge Rees-Mogg, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons hostels?"

"Plenty of prisons hostels..."

"And the Union workhouses foodbanks." demanded Scrooge Jacob. "Are they still in operation?"

"Both very busy, sir..."

"Those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge ^Rees-Mogg, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

He continued "Besides I do not believe that anyone would die without them. I think Theresa is right, there are many complex reasons why nurses go to food banks. The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them. To have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are"

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This thread is dedicated to Mrs8 and anyone else who is working to make life just a little better in the difficult circumstances that ALL politicians are currently doing their best to ignore (despite what they profess).

No Deal = even more poverty and destitution.

MERRY CHRISTMAS & HERES HOPING FOR A HAPPIER NEW YEAR
especially to those of you, who might be having a tough time or facing real uncertainity.

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DGRossetti · 21/12/2018 09:25

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RedToothBrush · 21/12/2018 09:26

So Gatwick partially open but droneman not caught.

This means they now have some contingency in place which they had not previously considered or thought necessary and had to knock up in a reactionary way.

Brilliant.

Firefighting for Brexit it is then.

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howabout · 21/12/2018 09:32

Study for Munich Chamber of Commerce @IHK_MUC says no deal #Brexit would cost Bavarian economy €1.4bn a year and that #Brexit weakens the EU internationally. www.ihk-muenchen.de/ihk/documents/International/Studie-des-ifo-Instituts-zum-Brexit.pdf …

1tisILeClerc · 21/12/2018 09:36

Mrsr8
{Dh is off today and is driving me mad already}
Unless you have a particular need for his presence you could send him to get a long weight or similar. He should be back by Christmas day as the shops will chuck him out eventually.

Hasenstein · 21/12/2018 09:36

*Mrsr8"

Are you doing special Christmas parcels? They proved so popular at our foodbank last year that we're doing even more this year. They are a real morale-booster for our clients. I can't tell you how helpful our local Coop has been and Tesco have made me revise my views of Terry Leahy. Even the local Lions (an organisation I don't particularly like) deserve a shout-out for their continuing support.

We're also sending supplies to the Refugee Kitchen in Calais, where they're currently providing over 1,000 meals a day.

I hope Rees-Mogg feels duly "uplifted". Maybe he could send his nanny over to help.

Yearofthemum · 21/12/2018 09:39

Who is Mrs8??

DGRossetti · 21/12/2018 09:42

So Gatwick partially open but droneman not caught.

It's not impossible to operate a drone via 4G.

Which means the droneperson (little bit of everyday sexism there) could be in a different jurisdiction (to use an American phrase).

I know if it was me, I would be.

I wonder if this was an attempt at blackmail ? Give us $ or we'll shut your airport and the target either decided they were bluffing, or ignored the instructions not to call the police.

Because it's interesting to speculate how much yesterdays shenanigans actually cost airlines, versus how much they would be happy to pay to avoid it in the first place.

The ongoing saga of Uber shows that you can't trust big companies to "do the right thing" when it comes to civic duty.

1tisILeClerc · 21/12/2018 09:44

{ #Brexit would cost Bavarian economy €1.4bn a year}
It's costing the EU countries a lot of money and it will not take long for people to realise (assuming they haven't already) that it is coming out of the citizens pockets. Cue stirring of trouble by 'anti UK parties'.

prettybird · 21/12/2018 09:54

Struggling to catch up as I've been busy belatedly getting ready for Christmas I'd been in denial about its imminence Xmas Blush

But going back to a comment on the last thread (as a means to place mat king Xmas Wink)

How many treaties have lasted more than a hundred years?

Here's another one: The Treaty of Union, 1706, between Scotland and England, that lead to the creation of the United Kingdom.

But there again, that one is on borrowed time its last legs Wink

1tisILeClerc · 21/12/2018 09:58

Even if Droneperson(s) were caught the max sentence is 5 years and it would be first offense and a decent lawyer so what is the real penalty?
Replacing the 'communications' aspect of a drone is not that difficult, a good argument for our young to be working 'down 't pit' rather than messing about with computers.
Maybe Gatwick was the warm up and it will be Heathrow over the weekend? Whoever was doing it now knows the likely response and even to suggest Heathrow, or even several airports gives a MASSIVE headache where searching for a needle in a haystack becomes an easy prospect in comparison. You can't use the MN response of burning the house down because there is a spider in the bath.

Mrsr8 · 21/12/2018 10:08

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HesterThrale · 21/12/2018 10:17

That Guardian article is so sad and depressing. I know of a school where the Headteacher has asked staff to donate food items for Christmas parcels for families in extreme need. Staff have responded very generously. I'm sure there are many instances like this across the country.

It all ties in with what I posted this week...'you can have investment, support, welfare, NHS etc. OR you can have Brexit. Not both.'

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/national-emergency-brexit-vote-westminster

Havana who was the politician who said that? I'm guessing a senior Tory.

DGRossetti · 21/12/2018 10:34

Maybe Gatwick was the warm up and it will be Heathrow over the weekend?

If you really wanted to make the news, a series of rolling drones - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead, Luton, Oxford (thats "London, Oxford Grin) Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester .... all an hour apart ?

If you allied that to a few well-timed warnings about bombs at certain locations on the road network, you'd have apocalyptic chaos.

The fact it's not been done so far suggests a lack of the numbers needed for the 7,000 or so "terror plots" we were supposed to be cowering over. Then I read that wearing a slogan on a T-Shirt can be "terrorist activity" and am rather less surprised.

One thought did occur, although it wouldn't make political sense (yet). But if the pIRA were going to play a reunion gig, and wanted to open with a new number, this is exactly what I would have expected. If it is, I hope they don't get around to some golden oldies. because that would not be fun.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/12/2018 10:46

mother Remain is better than any Brexit
then SM+CU+ other goodies is better than any other Brexit

However, we have to consider what to do if they are not possible / not chosen by the HOC / May

If NI choose to keep SM+CU, even if GB leaves the SM, that should be their choice,
if we allow people to decide things for themselves

I don't prioritise keeping the Union, certainly not above letting NI make its choice, because they have to live their;
especially because a hard Brexit accelerates their departure anyway

MarmotMorning · 21/12/2018 10:57

No deal Brexit will be like hundreds of drones flying over hundreds of runways

BigChocFrenzy · 21/12/2018 10:59

howabout Noone has ever said that the EU won't suffer from Brexit,
with some regions and businesses suffering far more than others

The mistakes many Brexiters have made from the beginning and keep making are:

  • that they need us more than we need them
  • that therefore the EU will rewrite their rules for the UK
  • that they would risk weakening the SM for the UK
  • that they would abandon Ireland to minimise the effects to their own economies
  • that we can replace any significant amount of trade / business with the EU by trade with non-EEA countries

Neither Bavaria, nor any other German state, or other EU state includes among its No Deal contingencies the need to ensure supplies of food, chemicals for water purification etc

None of them are losing their trade deals with the rest of the world

re Scotland:
I've always thought that independence, or checks Scotland / England border to keep Scotland in the SM,
would cause tremendous damage to the Scottish economy

However, that is a choice for Scottish voters, not me.
The UK also voted for Brexit, which causes damage ranging from a short recession to a disaster - intelligent Leavers like the Norths, Booker etc all accept this

So people do sometimes knowingly accept serious economic consequences in order to achieve nationalist aims
That's not being stupid / ignorant, unless they insist there won't be any serious economic downside

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RedToothBrush · 21/12/2018 11:05

OMG GUESS WHAT TODAY'S GEM IS??!!!

ITS THE TURNIP EDICT!

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Times EXC

Whitehall planners will tell Britons to “vary your diet” in event of disruption at the border
- Cumbria amongst the locations of big hangars needed for food storage

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/910e69b4-04a3-11e9-9685-be54be25c61a
Change diet to cope with food delays after no-deal Brexit, Britons told

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/12/2018 11:06

LeClerc The problem with increasing the 5-year max sentence is of course the danger of letting the penalty creep too near that of murder

Actually flying a drone into a plane, causing deaths there and on the ground,
would be a vastly more effective political statement,
or lever for future ransom

imo, 5 years is a significant deterrent.
Maybe add unlimited fines of up to their entire assets, to discourage anyone with assets, even a house & car.

DGRossetti · 21/12/2018 11:06

How does the "Union" of Scotland with England work ? Could Scotland leave it on it's own terms ? Or is it not a union ?

A marriage is a union, and a wife can leave that without the husbands permission.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/12/2018 11:11

Brexiters may claim they don't care, red however that wouldn't just be like one of those health kicks for a week or a month,
but for probably several months at least if No Deal

There's little national experience of being denied their choice of food,
or of "luxury" consumer goods,
which would likely be limited / more expensive

Very few can remember the rationing of WW2, although I think it partially lasted up to early 1950s

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2018 11:13

^why there won't be a no-deal brexit, this series of ever increasingly dramatic scare stories is all designed to force Mays deal through.

No government can state what a disaster a no-deal brexit will be, then go and do it !!!

Grayling is trying to say Drones are unique and who could have foreseen such an incident, something he couldn't say if he and his department had written paper after paper on airport drone attacks 3 months ago
He'd be now forced to resign if he had.

bellinisurge · 21/12/2018 11:13

FFS @RedToothBrush . I wish people would preface such articles with This is Self Inflicted.
It isn't some bloody reality TV show or fun new trend.
Let's hope no fecking celeb chef tries to be the new Margaritte Patton - google her (forgive the spelling) - with fun ideas for coping with a wartime diet.
I'm a prepper. I know about this shit. It's difficult and can be bit grim. Did you see that on the bus?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/12/2018 11:16

Britain could indeed be "best for business" with a 2019 No Deal

  • if your business is vulture capitalism or private healthcare

Rich investors from the Uk and around the world are adding to the pressure for No Deal
Some of them are Tory donors
others are more subtle

Some people in professional UK jobs could do well -apart from snapping up cheap houses - e.g. niche areas in law, fintech

Donnnerbox · 21/12/2018 11:20

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