Westministenders: BAH HUMBUG said Mr Rees-Mogg

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"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge Rees-Mogg, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons hostels?"

"Plenty of prisons hostels..."

"And the Union workhouses foodbanks." demanded Scrooge Jacob. "Are they still in operation?"

"Both very busy, sir..."

"Those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge ^Rees-Mogg, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

He continued "Besides I do not believe that anyone would die without them. I think Theresa is right, there are many complex reasons why nurses go to food banks. The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them. To have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are"

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This thread is dedicated to Mrs8 and anyone else who is working to make life just a little better in the difficult circumstances that ALL politicians are currently doing their best to ignore (despite what they profess).

No Deal = even more poverty and destitution.

MERRY CHRISTMAS & HERES HOPING FOR A HAPPIER NEW YEAR
especially to those of you, who might be having a tough time or facing real uncertainity.

Annoyingly (and not just for the comedy name) Cressida Dick is publicly voicing concerns over public safety and Brexit.

If someone as staggeringly incompetent as her can see problems, you really have to wonder.

news.sky.com/story/met-chief-cressida-dick-triggers-brexit-public-safety-row-over-risks-of-no-deal-11592832

I can't see any politician being brave enough to call Brexit off. They have gone on and on and on about the Will of the People.

You see now I want to know how Cressida Dick is staggeringly incompetent DG , but am too full of left overs to be arsed to google

She was "in charge" when Jean Charles de Menezes head was removed with seven hollow point bullets (which was nobodies fault, let's remember. Besides, he was foreign, so doesn't count).

Her promotion after that speaks volumes as to how much dirt she must have on senior Home Office officials. (Which bearing in mind they are already long established career criminals ... it must be spectacular ....)

Mail journalist ejected from Irish embassy over shouts of 'Brexit'

Another seriously embarassing Brexiter, being yobbishly offensive at a diplomatic event
Well, at least it wasn't Boris

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/19/daily-mail-journalist-joanna-bell-ejected-irish-embassy-brexit

A Daily Maill* journalist was ejected from an Irish embassy reception in London after heckling the ambassador with shouts of “boring” and “Brexit”.

Brexit has made the UK a global joke. How will we rebuild our reputation?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/25/brexit-uk-global-joke-rebuild-reputation

Britain used to be a talent magnet; now it’s a laughing stock.
Prepare for us once again to be the ‘sick man of Europe’
....
Britain is now the butt of global mirth and cringe-making sympathy.

I spent most of this autumn on trips trying to link our creative industries with those of other countries.
From Mexico City to Montreal, Amsterdam to Tallinn,

the welcome starts with the avuncular hand on the shoulder, a sigh and a reference to “our British friends”,
followed by “I hope you’re all right”.

Consternation over the original referendum decision long ago gave way to bafflement over the chaos.

“What on earth is Mrs May doing playing pantomime host in the House of Commons at a time like this?”
....
Business groups, which had been surprisingly cowed,
are now waking up to the dangers of the brain drain

It is not just young, ambitious Europeans who are moving home, apparently to our prime minister’s delight 😡

The movement of talented Britons to other countries is steady and will grow,
as the reality of Brexit sinks in.

Why work in a country that regards economic self-harm as just one of those things you have to get through? 🤔

Brexit has made the UK a global joke. How will we rebuild our reputation?

The problem with questions like that is they are full of unfounded assertions ...

1. Has Brexit caused the UKs reputation to suffer ? There's no way hardcore Brexiteers could tell, as they are all in a circle jerk staring up the next Brexiteers arse.

2. It implies there's a will to rebuild our reputation. Theresa May and her coven have shown no signs they are interested in Britain having a world reputation for anything other than staggering incompetence.

The movement of talented Britons to other countries is steady and will grow, as the reality of Brexit sinks in.

Why move ? Just work remotely for a foreign company ? No real innovation needed. Just plumbing.

DG For most jobs, that's not actually possible

DG For most jobs, that's not actually possible

My job requires using supercomputers most of the time, but I also have to interact with colleagues in person, for some meetings & brainstormings.

A colleague worked remotely from home for 6 weeks after a bad leg break and it was very frustrating and limiting for him and us.
He couldn't do a lot of what he needed to, or participate fully

A lot of other jobs require interaction with the public / colleagues nearly all the time.

Quite apart from the embarrassment of Joanna Bell’s behaviour, what on earth is Jeffrey Archer doing at a diplomatic event?

Why move ? Just work remotely for a foreign company ? No real innovation needed. Just plumbing.

This is a point of concern for DHs company. He might need to do the plumbing in the correct country if he needs to see the data / check data integrity.

{Why move ? Just work remotely for a foreign company ? No real innovation needed. Just plumbing.}
Remote working of septic tank maintenance gets my vote!

Although I admit I am not looking very hard but so far nothing is being suggested in the UK news about how the UK will become great. Tazering youngsters and dogs, and a continual stream of violent crimes.
That piece about Joanna Bell, the age of polite listening to other points of view is over (it is possible to disagree quietly).

DG For most jobs, that's not actually possible

I didn't say it was. But for some it is. Necessity being the mother of invention etc.

Maybe I move in odd circles.

It's definitely true of some jobs.

DH has found (and several of the companies he works for have found) that online meeting only work to a certain extent in terms of communication. Its not a substitute for meeting face to face. Its a tool that means you can reduce the need to but it still exists.

DHs company are currently trying to work out how to move their data to the EU and the impact this will have on their business.

DH won't lose his job. There isn't a danger of that, but forced relocation is possibility. Not that it's really something we'd be totally adverse to.

DGR You may be right about some jobs.
Why move ? Just work remotely for a foreign company ? No real innovation needed. Just plumbing.

But in reality, many people may actually want to move abroad. It might be the only way to leave the U.K. after Brexit: to have a job and your employer gets a visa for you. I’d be tempted myself, but in my field I’m not employable in the EU.

But in reality, many people may actually want to move abroad.

Oh, I have no doubt. For various reasons, despite having EU citizenship, it's not an option to me (because of DWs multiple sclerosis).

I wonder if Brexit will see a rise of "jobs" that aren't covered by any legislation as the employer doesn't have a presence in the UK. The fact that research has been done on that very subject suggests someones having ideas.

Can any of you learned ones see ANY sort of strategy that the UK gov might be taking? We have had over 2 years of alienating the EU in word and deed, various 'secret' deals that don't add up to even a small hill of beans and by the protracted actions, trashing of unspecified amount of UK business activity. It looks like a suicide mission to me unless there is a parallel world where suddenly a whole new set of opportunities will appear by magic.

Sorry to muscle in here, I lurk a bit but don't really contribute.

I am trying to find a list of cogent and coherent reasons as to why Brexit is a good thing for the UK. Has anyone, in government or out, produced such a list, do you know? I certainly can't find it. Because I just don't understand why so many British people seem to think it's a good idea just to stand by and let Britain hurtle to her demise. For the sake of fish and blue passports? Is that it?

Sadly, it just looks like government by Baldrick

Lots of "cunning plans" from DD & co that are staggeringly ignorant about how our international trade & transport works and where our food comes from

Still looks like No Deal or the WA are the most likely, with only a small chance of Revoke

So the UK is probably going to become poorer, except for the hedge-funders and disaster capitalists

• they seem the only ones who genuinely planned, but their interests certainly aren't ours

I'm currently brain dead due to life but this is something

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-second-referendum-mp-tax-collection-government-remain-conservative-labour-a8701536.html

MPs could force a second ref by blocking tax collection

MPs could strip off, whip themselves with belts then eat yogurt but it doesn't mean that are going to...

If MPs ever pluck up courage and try to force the issue, I'd expect it to be pretty late.
Bloody hell, 3 months to go is already very late

Anyway, I'd be worried about them being able to force through in time all the measures needed for a PV including asking the EU for an extension - that answer might not come back immediately.

I'd hope that they would take responsibilty themselves and vote to Revoke, or even the WA, to avoid No Deal,
as these 2 options are much more doable before 29 March

A PV is much more feasible if May herself decides it's the only way to break the political logjam

However, she seems to be determined to get her WA through,
so if she can't, then I expect her to keep trying until Friday 29 March, probably with crashing markets & Sterling to nudge MPs.

If all else fails, then throughout the afternoon and evening of 29 March, she will have to decide if she wants to go down in history as the PM who drive the economy over the cliff edge
Lots of politiciians worry more about their place in history than they ever did about the country.

At that late stage of course, she could only Revoke, if she decides to avoid No Deal

Can any of you learned ones see ANY sort of strategy that the UK gov might be taking?

You mean apart from winning the next election by very loudly and visibly doing what the majority have indicated they think sounds grand? (Like Dunkirk! Hurrah!)

As a plus, they will be able to re-entrench themselves as the great & good, as there will be no other system to get ahead but their old school networks. The rest of us will suffer, but it will be all the EU's fault and so we will all learn to be appropriately grateful to our leadership for keeping us poor "free."