£30K salary requirement post FOM

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May I ask you if you see a social / ethical problem with a £30K salary cut-off point being introduced for new immigrants?
I am quite surprised about all the articles / opinion pieces about how it is discriminatory, draconian and will ruin lives and families.
It may or may not be a good decision economically, but I cannot understand the personal distress arguments? Maybe I am missing something?

So everyone should put up and shut up because nurses, carers, researchers can come to the U.K. now? Are you not capable of thinking what the future might be like?

I think the most likely explanation is that they moved to Ireland to use a loop hole known as "Surinder Singh", to save on the British spousal / post-study visa fees (several thousand) compared to an EEA spouse permit (£60, I think).

The last email from my colleague:

'Xxxx and I were not able to meet the visa requirements for the UK. We’ll be moving shortly.

Needless to say we’re both heartbroken to be leaving xxxx under such circumstances. In case Idon’t get to see you before I leave I just want to thank you for repeatedly thinking of me and sending me links to opportunities and the like. In our few interactions you were extremely kind to me. I wish you and your family all the best.'

So everyone should put up and shut up because nurses, carers, researchers can come to the U.K. now?
Of course, this is exactly what I've written in the OP.

It was briefly mentioned on the BBC News this morning that it may be £21k now not £30k, though there were no details.

It’s important that migrants are able to support themselves but the 30k figure is a bit random it’s not enough to support a family fully (with private school, health care etc) but they could easily support themselves on less by using state services. It’s also a bit bizarre there there is a specific requirement where the funds come from. Does it matter so long as they have money whether it’s tgeir salary or savings or something else? If there is concern about migrants becoming an economic burden then the obvious solution is not to permit access to public funds/state services. If it’s about reducing numbers then a simple quota is the best solution. It’s like there was a problem but instead of looking for a solution they said let’s try this and see what happens.

I found the "I would be slashed" twitter campaign also a bit insincere, as it implied that settled people's lives would suddenly become disrupted due to some hostile action.

Yet this is exactly what happened with many of the Windrush generation; British subjects who were entitle to live and work here and had done so for many years, paying taxes and contributing to society. Once May's 'Hostile Environment' kicked in, they became easy pickings. So don't count your luck just yet.

It seems counterproductive for britain. As said upthread it increases competition only for 30k+ roles, putting downward pressure on the wages. So it's going to force the majority of us down into the labouring types of roles under the 30k cut off. Meanwhile, if the 30k+ work does go to people from abroad, a chunk of it may well be sent back home, ie: out of the british economy!?

"As for tax credits, they are just a form of tax distribution, and are only in the form of a payout so that higher paid people don't get this tax cut as well. Unlike a rise in personal tax free allowance, which they also do benefit from"* *

This doesn't apply to those earning over £100k as they don't get a personal allowance.

The policy also to seems to aim to encourage businesses to come to the U.K. as they will likely get highly skilled labour for cheaper costs. Basically selling out British skills in return for needing more companies to come and prop up the mess that is Brexit.

It seems counterproductive for britain. As said upthread it increases competition only for 30k+ roles, putting downward pressure on the wages. So it's going to force the majority of us down into the labouring types of roles under the 30k cut off.

Maybe that’s the whole point. Too many of us lower middle class oiks getting above ourselves in professional roles.

True, makes us all very unmigratable really doesn't it, I guess it's a good way of stopping British workers being attractive to overseas employers... I guess they have to make up for lost productivity through wage deflation somehow

At the moment there's an exception for 'new entrants' ie new graduates entering the labour market, so if you completed a degree within the last 2 years, you only need to earn £21k not 30k to qualify for a Tier 2 visa. Just as well, seeing as most first postdocs earn less than 30k!

There will be an agricultural workers scheme so fruit pickers etc can still come over, but I bet other businesses will want their own schemes!

Reducing visa costs and bureaucracy will help UK look more attractive but until we have some clarity (will there even be an implementation period if no deal?), its going to be hard to attract the talent we need.

I think the 30k is much too high considering the starting salary of a lot of our very well respected careers

Smacks of whoever came up with that figure not having a fucking clue

We don't have enough young/healthy/willing British-born people to do some of the jobs that earn under 30K, which is pretty disastrous socially and economically.

There's a list going round on social media of some of the skilled jobs that earn under 30K and it's eye-opening – doctors and nurses are among the occupations listed.

I agree with your point that an experienced nurse won't come in the future for a 12 month gig - there are many more attractive options worldwide - but existing nurses won't be forced out. Oh, that's OK then

DarlingNikita that wasn't the context in which that reply was posted

Lots of highly qualified well paid immigrants will hire low paid Brits to clean their houses and pick their veg.
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Apologies, xsahm, but I don't understand your point.