Is there anyone who supports May’s actions yesterday?

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So much for taking back control.

We’ve given it to one power crazy lunatic who would rather drive us over a cliff edge than admit this is a fucking joke.

Can anyone defend yesterday’s actions?

I understand why she did it, however, its the constant stream of cabinet ministers coming out say the vote will definitely go ahead that i find most sickening.
She is demeaning the office of PM and of Parliament.

Personally i think she doing the right thing in going back to the EU but is pointless, she needs to grasp the nettle and revoke art 50.

Brexit is incompatible with the GFA at present and the UK does not have an agreed position on what it actually wants from Brexit.

I don’t understand why she did it, other than cowardice.

The EU have repeatedly said that it.

She just looks weak and pathetic now running round Europe grovelling.

And, unless she gets rid of the backstop, which won’t happen, it won’t make the slightest difference.

She's trying to push the meaningful vote to the point where, due to time constraints, it's her WA or no deal. And only some loons will go for No Deal.

'she needs to grasp the nettle and revoke art 50.'

She really does. Dashing around Europe, begging for concessions that they can't and won't give - such a farce

I understand why she did it, it was going to be a humiliating defeat, so why prove it. But we are in one big fucking mess.

I was listening to some stupid labour woman this morning on the news. Giving it we want a deal that puts our People and their jobs first. I'm sure you do pet, everyone does, but you'd have to be afucking idiot to think the eu is going to give us it and it's all down to the fact May was a shite negotiator, forgot to ask, or doesn't fancy the idea of that.

Because it's the fucking civil servants who negotiate it. Not may. and If Corbyn was in power, it would be the same fucking civil servants negotiating it, and anyone with an iota of common sense woild guess she's instructed to get the best fucking deal possible. And this is it. The eu is never going to give us a deal putting our people and jobs first. How stupid would you have to be to think they would.

Honestly, I watch these twats and I can't understand if they really are that fucking stupid or if they think the british public are.

Well said @Bluntness100

Hear Hear Bluntness

Agree with bluntness

Also, May was a remainer but she's the pm, the country said leave and she's got on with her job despite being a remainer and got us a deal - I actually respect her for putting her vote to the side and doing what the country (ultimately her boss!) told her to do

Another one agreeing with Bluntness... The idea that Labour would be able to swan in and get us this great deal because all it needs is some common sense and tough talking is being childish.

Some people just don’t seem to have the first clue as to how negotiations work, and think that all you need to do to get the deal you want is be intransigent and “stick to your guns”, and ultimately the EU will get ground down and agree for a quiet life...

I hope this is a last gasp from the PM to get her deal through, demonstrate once and for all that this is the deal..... The only way forward I can see is another referendum. What alternative is there?

{. Giving it we want a deal that puts our People and their jobs first}

This is domestic policy and almost bugger all to do with the EU.
If the UK government want everyone to live in mud huts there is nothing the EU can do about it.
The best 'deal' was to remain. ANYTHING outside this HAS to be worse than being 'in' the EU by definition and is stated that EU members will ALWAYS get the best deal, so there is no surprise there.
Of course Cameron and May were stupid enough to promise an 'improved' deal which can never happen.

There are only 3 options, as the EU has pointed out for the last couple of months and Mrs Merkel and Mr Junker have said yet again this evening.
The 'Deal' from the EU is the 585 page document, which in fairness is NOT the final deal, but a grand stopgap to prevent the EU and UK collapsing completely while the details are worked out during a transition period.
The other 2 options are no deal, basically catastrophic for everyone, although the EU is powering ahead with it's preparations so that not too long after March 2019 it will be OK (but not happy).
The other option is to remain which is still on the table.

Got to be honest I'm
More worried about Corbyn getting in on the back of this... out of Europe... no deal... Corbyn prime minister. I'd consider emigrating

Sorry but Labours position is in the SM and CU but no FOM.

Labour would have got the first two but not the 3rd.

So, as the EU have always said, Mays deal is the best they can give her based on her red lines!

The Labour deal would have been totally different to Mays and as it included a uk wide CU membership, no backstop.

You're more worried about Corbyn being Prime Minister than you are about leaving the EU? You are genuinely barking mad.

I’m really concerned.

Both government and opposition are so utterly incompetent that all it would take is a charasmatic fascist to come along and sweep them all under the rug.

Add an economic disaster into the mix, and a huge swing even further right would be hugely on the cards.

I’ve done my fair share of arguing with Brexit voters on here, but I actually sympathise somewhat with their viewpoint that the EUs version of democracy is less than perfect.

However, I think they’re bat-shit crazy to think that ours is somehow vastly superior.

Case in point - our elected government have suspended democracy until they can provide a false choice.

I think some Brexit voters had the best of intentions, but have failed to understand that just because the EUs version of democracy isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean the alternative wont be worse.

The outlook on British democracy is fucking grim by the looks of it.

I truly hope that down the road I’ll look back and see that I was being just being melodramatic...

Given the disorganised style of UK negotiators (David Davis & no paperwork), the ignorance about geography (Raab), unrealistic hope to divide & conquer the EU27 and repeated suggestions (eg. Chequers) for things that EU said from start crossed their red lines or that violated other agreements (GFA; DUP supply & demand): of course EU wanted a backstop to keep peace in Ireland. EU can't trust UK to organise a piss up in a brewery much less a half decent international relationship.

Some Irish MP was very blunt the other day. If UK doesn't keep its word about things it committed to while member of EU, or doesn't abide by backstop agreement negotiated in December 2017 as part of the WA: then why would any potential trade partner trust UK promises in future?

More worried about Corbyn getting in on the back of this..

I am not a Corbyn fan but don't get the fear, it seems to me it's Hobson's choice between:

• Domination by complete and utter loons who caused the Tory schism which led to this clusterfuck plus decades of the consequences of a crash out. Plus more austerity. No NHS- starved state education.

• 5 years of Corbyn tempered by a few people like Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn and Kier Starmer. With a chance of something softer and saving the NHS, school priorities etc. Corbyn does listen to the rest of the party a bit.

Bluntness totally agree. Some of the things people are coming out with is just insane!
On the news yesterday they interviewed a guy who was adamant that the average man on the street would be happy with wto rules and then said "why would they agree to this deal she has brought back, it makes us worse off than remaining" on what planet can we leave a club whilst retaining the benefits of said club without paying the membership?

It's people with views like that that really make me think a 2nd referendum is a bad idea. The "we won, get over it" people that will happily sign our futures away because the people voted out, with absolutely no regard for what this actually means in real life for actual people, including themselves, it scary. That people would vote leave in a second referendum just to make a point about democracy and the will of the people.

I wonder how much they will value the sovereignty that we have 'taken back' when it's being used to remove their rights, when there are no jobs because companies have moved to more convenient locations within the EU, when food and medicine are affected, when we don't get the latest treatments for illnesses because we don't have the facilities or the access. We can put all the money we save from not contributing to the EU into the NHS instead.

I've lurked on a lot of threads, I understand people think this is about democracy, but it really can't be so difficult to understand that these politicians have their own agendas and are pushing for the things they want for a reason. JRM couldn't give a toss about the average man on the street, why is the average man on the street, who is apparently so sick of having no say in things, convinced that the likes of JRM have the same intentions and outcomes in mind as them?

Yes. I understand what she did. She won the No Confidence vote.
Can we get on with the Negotiations again.

Is there something else? No?

So, STFU and Carry On.

I don’t like her at all. I do think she is a total street fighter.

To be honest, I think she forced Rees-Mogg to show his hand. Now his leverage is gone for 12 months.

She has been handed a poisoned chalice - she put the brexiteers in charge of negotiations and they patently failed to deliver anything and had no plan whatsoever.

She is trying to achieve the impossible - honour a democratic vote and organise an orderly exit. I am not a fan or a Tory but I admire her guts and tenacity. Its would have been much easier for her to walk away - but what or who is the credible alternative? Its much easier to be a critic and expedient to do it for electoral advantage - but none of her vocal opponents within the Conservatives or in the Labour have a cogent plan for how to deliver it either. And none would command a parliamentary majority whatever their leave or remain position.

If we ignore or overturn the popular vote there is a huge political risk of destabilising the country and rioting by those who already feel so excluded that they voted leave. If the elite then override their vote, or seek a new one they reinforce and prove the point - that the elite are operating in their own interests to the exclusion of the mass of 'ordinary' people.

If we continue on the path to leaving we will undoubtedly face other problems - food and medicine supplies, research funds crash, brain drain, trade loss and economic damage.

We're doomed. With one sad and pathetic girl guide trying to see the whole damn mess through, crying herself to sleep every night.....

If we ignore or overturn the popular vote there is a huge political risk of destabilising the country and rioting by those who already feel so excluded that they voted leave.

"They have no power so we have to make sure they have the power that if they threaten violence they get their way" Pah. :(

If we don't overturn the vote their is potential for riot and violence.

The extremes - left and right - want society to be politically unstable, they want riots. In the confusion and desperation voters turn to populist politicians and then more extreme policies can be introduced.

A bonfire or regulations and a deregulated economy, or a mini left wing revolution.

They want Brexit because it brings political instability.

Riots are likely either way. Thanks Dave.

I doubt there will be riots, other than the usual extremist idiots. We aren't France.

My husband also thinks she forced the vote, because she knew she'd win, it's ludicrous to think now is the time for a change in leader and it will change anything, and last night should put it to bed.

What pisses me off is they are sore losers. That twat reese mogg, I was listening to him last night saying she should resign because a third of her party have no confidence in her. Yeah but two thirds do and there isn't one other candidate who would get a higher percentage than that.

Self serving selfish fuckers.