Does anyone actually agree with Barry Gardiner that a fresh public vote on exit terms would cause "social unrest"?

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Myself, I think this is embarrassing rubbish on so many levels.

He says there is there is "more to this than simple economics - there is also the social, the democratic principles at play here".

I don't know anyone who thinks a vote on the terms of exit is about "simple economics", and anyway, his simplistic bid to differentiate between "economics" and "social and democratic principles" just sets up a false dichotomy - yet another face-saving smokescreen.

In any event, the odds of "social unrest" if the decision is reversed are vanishingly small, especially when compared with the social unrest we will see if Brexit is a disaster and the social contract breaks down.

I think social unrest is a possibility now, no matter what. The referendum result was too close, without a clear understanding of the consequences- so a great number of people will

*posted too early

A great number of people will be unhappy no matter what happens.

While this is going on, prices have been going up while everything in the public sector has been cut back. The poorest have been pushed past their limits and Universal Credit has left people homeless.

It almost feels like the government are trying to create social unrest.

Yeah, because Brexit the way it's going will only bring love, peace and social harmony.

What does Barry mean by civil unrest ? It is a term that keeps getting bandied about wrt Brexit , but I honestly can't see it happening if we don't end up leaving.

Looks like Trump has been taking lessons from Bazza ...

Trump: Impeach me and the market crashes

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45285585

Which side in Barry on?

I have no objection to a referendum with 2 options "accept this deal" or "no deal", but not with a third option "remain" as that was discounted by the first referendum.

Are people not allowed to change their minds though BMW6 ? I know a couple of leave voters who are getting seriously peed off with the way things have gone and would vote remain if another vote was allowed , not necessarily because they think that remaining is the best option , but that they think remaining is the best option at the moment if that makes sense ? They still think we could and should leave the EU , just they think the last two years has shown that the current incumbents of power have no idea how to tackle it without making a hash of things.

I am a remainer and I see his point a little - perhaps not unrest but some serious unset.
I really don’t think it would have the outcome ‘everyone’ hopes for either.

He's a twat. There will be no social unrest if Brexit doesn't happen, just a load of keyboard warriors whinging. They will not be arsed about rioting.

He's a bit dim ...

If no-deal happens and the outcome is as predicted I suspect we'll quickly learn what "civil unrest" really means;

If no-Brexit happens, but food as still in the shops, people can travel, and medicines are unaffected ... what's there to riot about ?

To add to my previous post , those leavers are dye in the wool Conservatives , I am friends with them , they forgive my wet liberal tendencies

frumpety sure, people change their minds all the time. But that would mean people also change their minds after a second referendum too, ad infinitum. Why stop at two?

There will be no social unrest if Brexit doesn't happen, just a load of keyboard warriors whinging. They will not be arsed about rioting.

The debate about "europe" needs to be put to bed once and for all. The UK needs to understand and be confident with its place in the world. A second referendum and a potential reversal just drags the argument on, giving people like Farage a new platform.

We are in this position now because of a government refusing to govern in the interests of its people and because many still believe hard brexit is a bluff/project fear. Ironically by calling the bluff of these people - will end the debate but only by damaging the country.

In 10-15 years when the voting dynamic shifts the UK will rejoin as a full member, not a whimper will be heard.

Problem is, if we rejoin we'd have to accept the Euro and possible membership of Schengen area. Which we didn't have before under the, frankly, sweet deal we had.

Yes, Schengen and the single currency but 10-15 years after the Brexit meltdown I doubt many would care - particularly the youngest voters eager for greater access to europe and an escape from a regressive island intent on self harm.

Problem is, if we rejoin we'd have to accept the Euro and possible membership of Schengen area. Which we didn't have before under the, frankly, sweet deal we had.

The whole thing is like a kaleidoscope ... every so often something comes back into view after tumbling around for a while. In this case, it's just a reminder as to why the EU - or rather the constituent countries, as they all have their own national characteristics (I know, who'd have thunk ?) - haven't really got any patience for the UK and it's entirely self inflicted woes. The UK already had the cushiest deal going. Loads of opt-outs and exceptions. We really did fit the role of CF wedding couple to a tee. Now we are flouncing out - pretty much of our own wedding - and can't understand why all the guests won't come with us.

I've tired really really hard to see any sort of positive from the Brexit debacle. Any at all. There isn't one.
Even my best case scenario- a second referendum on the terms at least-would leave us hugely out of pocket in terms of what has been spent to get this far.
How much better the time spent discussing this utter shit show could have been spent...
I'm so angry about this!

There's got to be at least 3 different types of leavers - soft leavers, hard leavers and crash out leavers.

I actually think there were 17 million different 'types' of Leavers.

Every one of them who shuffled into that cardboard polling booth, idly scratching themselves with that stubby pencil (sic) had their own, private version of Brexit in mind.

Otherwise, we wouldn't still be reading bollocks like 'Oh no, that won't happen, but this will / They wouldn't do that but they will do this'.

As if anyone knows.

The only certainties, to my mind are:
-Only the very rich who have already acted to protect themselves won't be affected by the coming shitstorm of No Deal; and
-No Leaver, ever, will take responsibility for that shitstorm.

DGR- also noticed how silent the assertions from Leave have become, now that it seems the rest of the countries of the EU aren't lining up to Leave, too...

In fact, they've locked arms and march as one regarding Brexit, haven't they?

I wonder why?...