Why do you think people who voted differently to you in the referendum voted that way?

[themueslicamel]

Just this really, what do you think drove people who looked at the referendum and made the conscious decision to vote the other way?

Oh no- money wasn't the issue. She thought you'd need a visa to go on holiday if we left - so she voted remain.

She also thought that her mobile phone would no longer work over there. So sane/odd reasons on both sides.

My husband's elderly aunt voted leave for reasons of 'sovereignty', and 'just wait and see, things will be 'better'', when I ask her what, she can't give any actual examples of what will improve. Seems more of a heart than a head thing, and if her underlying reason was being uncomfortable with immigration she's not going to admit that. Otherwise, the only other person I know who voted leave did so because of what happened to Greece in the Eurozone.

My constituency voted 70% Remain (and my country 62% Remain) so the fact that I don't know a single person who voted Leave is not surprising.

One of my friends knew someone who voted Leave, not because they didn't want to be part of the EU (they actually believed in its benefits) but because "they wanted to show that bitch Nicola Sturgeon" That worked well didn't it?

Spoke to one person at a (Remain voting ) friend's party the week before the vote (she was a work colleague of his). She was going to vote Leave because her daughter lived in Kent and she told her there was far too much pressure on the hospitals because of all the immigrants and refugees.

She thought you'd need a visa to go on holiday if we left - so she voted remain.

She also thought that her mobile phone would no longer work over there.

Well, my mum (who wasn't an EU citizen, though she now has UK citizenship) used to have to get a visa to go to France, so there's nothing to prevent Spain from imposing a visa requirement again on non-EU citizens (including UK citizens) at some point. Currently Turkish citizens need one, for example.

And while the network will probably still connect (unless the two networks diverge for technical reasons in the future) it is extremely likely we won't have the protections on price in the future while in Spain - it used to be that there was a price cap on MMS in the EU and I remember sending loads of those while on holiday - and it's very nice at the moment to have the same pricing as in the UK. There's no way that's going to last.

So there's a grain of truth in both of her statements.

Our Westminster constituency voted Leave but I still don't know many/any locally who did. Again, I work in a job where most people are degree level or higher, and know a lot of immigrants both in and out of work. Maybe they aren't admitting it - as why would you admit to your child's school friends' parents that you want them to leave the country? Especially not when those parents are here working for the good of the UK.

My constituency voted 70% Remain (and my country 62% Remain) so the fact that I don't know a single person who voted Leave is not surprising.

The remain vote in England was heavily concentrated in cities, so it's very unsurprising that some people (me included) live in "remain bubbles".

My friend voted leave because the UK is becoming a muslim country and because anyone can just show up at Dover and get given a luxury apartment in South Kensington

I only know a few.

Not immediately immigration but rather the view:
Take back 'control' of country
We'd be fine as EU 'need' is

Meh.

The people I know who voted remain said they did so because:

They own second homes in Spain/France and thought leaving would create complications and expense.
They believe staying in the EU is the best way to protect working conditions and human rights in this country.
They couldn't stand Farage.
They thought it was best to try and reform the EU from the inside.
They were worried their children wouldn't be able to study/work in Europe.
They thought voting leave made you a racist.
They were worried the UK economy would crash and big business would move jobs abroad.

None of them said this final one, it's just my opinion...they all personally benefit from employing people, mostly Eastern Europeans, on casual contracts/ low wages eg their cleaners, carers, babysitters, builders.

Wisterical is there anyone in the UK who doesn't benefit from EU labour:
Health care workers
Food processing (everything from picking to ready meals)
Nursery workers, care home workers, office and supermarket cleaners - you don't have to be someone with "staff".
We had a babysitter from Poland and paid her living wage for her age. Our current one is from the UK and ditto but is younger so the "official" living wage is less. Both were/are getting less for entry level work in larger employers.
I didn't vote remain so I can exploit my Polish babysitter, thank you very much.

drsprouse I agree, everyone in UK benefits from EU labour but I believe 'free movement of people and labour' has lead to the exploitation of poorer people to the advantage of the wealthier.
In my job as a live-in carer I had many Eastern European and Spanish colleagues. Because they could earn far more doing this job than any job in their home countries they were willing to accept really poor working conditions which allowed the employer agencies to exploit the whole workforce eg insisting we covered night waking, not honouring breaks, food allowance or travel payments. Also because these worker's Acc in this country depended on keeping their jobs and they couldn't easily afford a flight

Damn, posted by mistake, sorry!
... Because these workers accommodation in this country depended on keeping their jobs and they couldn't easily afford a flight home they put up with awful placements.

I met many sad and depressed Eastern European mothers who hadn't seen their children for many months (children were back home being looked after by grandparents usually)

I believe this is replicated in the agriculture and food packaging sector too. So yes, Britain benefits from migrant labour but at what cost?

I only know two people who voted leave. My brother, who is convinced that the EU hindered a proper working democracy and, despite being a Tory boy, quoted a lot of Tony Benn to make his case.

The other was my neighbour who hoped a brexit outcome would result in more jobs and felt that the funding from the EU and the fancy communal buildings that brought were small recompense for the high rates of unemployment in our area.

I didn't know anyone who voted because of immigration issues.

upper surely voting leave because of more jobs is an immigration issue?

No. Well, not for her as she is Muslim and her husband is an immigrant. The hope was that Brexit could circumnavigate EU red tape that would boost the local heavy industry.

I voted to stay. I would have voted to leave if I thought this would be how it played out.

In my personal experience only one of the people voting leave did so for reasoned thinking. She studied law and had long ago decided that EU influence on law was a bad thing so the referendum was an opportunity to change that.

I respect why she voted the way she did, it was born of research and critical thinking.

Every other person who voted leave that I know did it for racist reasons. No thought, contemplation or reason. Purely racist.

They are currently spitting feathers now they realise that leaving the EU does not affect migration from Asian and African countries

I guess there must be others like my friend who voted leave because they genuinely looked into the pros and cons and weighed up what would be best for the country.

Sadly though I think the rabid racist was the majority in the leave vote, with a large chunk of those who wish to abolish red tape that protect workers rights supporting them.

Wisterical, the issue of poor working conditions and exploiting the workforce is really one for the UK government. Why are companies allowed to deny staff breaks and food allowances, or pay them poorly? These things are nothing to do with the EU.

I have three strands of leave voters in my circles. Some interchange between groupd, but mainly have a main strand.

First group: racists. Actually proper racism. Want Britain to be white British, though in reality not Scottish or Northern Irish either (they seem to tolerate the welsh). These tend to be family members who I don't have to deal with often thankfully.

Second group: those who want everything renationalised and think the eu is a total barrier to it.

Third group: those who thought the money would be spent elsewhere like nhs and education. Very bought into the big red bus of lies.

I'm sure there's more reasons out there, but these are people I've had actual interactions with.

Can't beat cats dead sheep, though my df declared the conker ban at the local school to be the eu fault despite it being the only school in the area to have banned them.

Most of the people I know in Scotland who were No to Indy and voted Remain did so to avoid a 2nd Indyref. The Yes vote seems to have spilt Remain / Leave / Stay at home. There was a big drop off in Indyref turnout (84%) compared to EU turnout (67%). Areas most in favour of Indy tended to have lowest turnouts eg Glasgow and Dundee.

Given this it is unclear to me that Scotland is any more pro EU than rest of UK despite all parties, including Struth, protesting otherwise.

Just thought of something else. I have noticed among the Leave voters I have spoken to (other more logical Leave voters are available ) a distrust of authority and experts and a general leaning towards, not exactly conspiracy theories, but the idea that remainers are being duped.

My FIL ( with whom I just had a huge row) voted differently to me. He voted leave because:

1.	Money-He says we  give millions of £ to Brussels and  get nothing in return( He would not accept that our gross direct payment amounts to only  1 per cent of GDP-  said this was my opinion!)
2.	No benefit-He says we gain no benefit from membership.( He refused to accept access to the world’s biggest economy on our doorstep  is a benefit. Also Refused to accept figures like our reliance on 44.6 per cent of exports and 53.2 per cent of imports of goods and services.)
3.	Complete control-He says we are completely ruled from Brussels ( Did eventually appear to accept my points that we have control over most matters such as  Defence, Military strategy,Pensions,Health,Education,Fiscal policy,taxation, property, planning, family law, elderly care , policing, etc .Did eventually accept that we share rules only over things like Environment,agriculture and some employment. 
4.	 Future fears-He eventually accepted shared delegated control was much less than he thought but said in the future ‘ they ‘ wanted to take us over completely and run the country.Would not say which member states wanted to do that, other than ‘all of them’.
5.	Curiously refused to accept that we had any reciprocal say over shared   things like Environment and agriculture in Germany or Spain or France etc. Said that the ‘control’ was one way only.
6.	Final reason is he likes and  trusts ( radio presenter) Nigel Farage and believes he does a good job. <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Confused" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/confused-DVrVQwAF.png">

I’m still staying at his house now, hiding in the bedroom. I really never liked DHs father. Over 10 years I kept a veneer of civility, but not today. If he now has a heart attack, due to his raised blood pressure it will all be my fault.

Would just like to point out when I said I’m staying at his house I meant at DHs Father’s house. Thankfully I’m not at the house of the former UKIP leader, although I may as well be.

I'ld be quite concerned if you are hiding in Nigel Farage's bedroom.

Everyone I know who voted leave (bar one) voted because of the immigrants and they "want their country back"

The one who didn't voted because he disagrees with a lot of the red tape in place because of the EU. I have no idea if he stands by his decision or not. He gave some good examples at the time. If it's worth it or not now I do not know.

I know many who voted remain because

• we had no plan for Brexit whatsoever
• leading economists said it was a terrible idea
• we like the EU and freedom of movement.
• we care about the environment and don't want to loose the protection the EU has afforded us in relation to it.
• Nigel Farage was against it

Would just like to point out when I said I’m staying at his house I meant at DHs Father’s house. Thankfully I’m not at the house of the former UKIP leader

I proper lol’d at that 🤣

lonely
I have images of you hiding in Farage's wardrobe now.