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Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:22

I’m going to keep this one very simple.

THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER TO VOTE IS 22ND MAY.
www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Postal votes start to go out on 23rd May.

Your challenge is to persuade someone to register to vote or to get someone who is considering not to, to get their arse to the polling station.

Go forth and harass. Especially women and the young.

That’s it. No frills OP.

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:02

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/labour-manifesto-land-value-tax-what-is-it-how-work-election-2017-a7739186.html
Labour Manifesto 2017: What is a land value tax? How would it work?
For residential property, home owners would pay a tax based on the value of the house. Firms would pay a tax based on the value of the business premises, including the land

Labour out line a plan to kill of the village shop come post office.

Thus proving one of the criticisms about how they know fuck all about less urban areas. Its not just the village shop. Its all the shops in pretty little touristy villages that get trade from people going to the post office or just about make ends meet through seasonal trade. Or your local high street butcher who has a little street in a nice area which ends up finding it even harder to compete with the supermarket down the road out of town on industrial use land which is worth much less in value.

High land value but low ability to make profit but service a purpose in providing essential services to communities.

Good stuff that one. Way to go.

slow handclap

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BestIsWest · 16/05/2017 17:06

I enjoyed it LH (DBA here)

Peregrina · 16/05/2017 17:11

Why do people think JIT is used in the first place ?
you're not selling it to me.

Sorry, posted in a hurry, because I was going out for most of the day.
I wasn't trying to sell it - for all the reasons you have given. I wouldn't be surprised if David Davis and Treeza think we can just go back to 1970s systems.

TQM - I have managed to forget all about that stuff since I retired.

prettybird · 16/05/2017 17:23

Treeza is sooooo a stretched Dolores Umbridge. Grin

Begs the question though - who is Voldemort? And when are Harry Potter and the good guys going to appear? (Unless they're Macron and Merkel? Wink)

HashiAsLarry · 16/05/2017 17:35

pretty I now have visions of Merkel going 'oops, killed your snake' Grin

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:35

AFP news agency‏ @AFP
#BREAKING Trump to give speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia: White House

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Dumdedumdedum · 16/05/2017 17:38

Dear God.

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:41

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/government-school-census-parents-withhold-personal-data-foreign-born-children-passports-nationality-a7738486.html

Parents urged to withhold personal data in latest school census targeting foreign-born children

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:58

Jasmin Mujanović‏ @JasminMuj
A Democratic win in 2018 won't fix surreal damage this admin has already done to US international standing, security, rule of law.
And refusal of GOP to respond to damage Trump doing is how civil wars start. Party over country, in final analysis, means no shared country.
Any elxn in '18 will more resemble Turkish referendum than free and fair vote. Climate of fear, foreign meddling, sectarianism, lawlessness.
We're barely 4 months in. How ppl assume "Dems win in 2018, impeachment proceeds quickly" is a plausible future timeline is beyond me.
This is what @SashaHemon wrote about in Jan. People are trying to rationalize catastrophe; not dealing w reality.
www.villagevoice.com/arts/stop-making-sense-or-how-to-write-in-the-age-of-trump-9575300
So 2 pts: impeachment, if it is to happen and matter for integrity of US constitutional govt, has to at least begin before 2018.
Secondly, realize that much of the worst case scenarios media warned you of in 2016 have already happened 4 mos in. Uncharted waters now.
Meaning, it gets worse from here on out and your point of comparison - previous US history - is a poor guide for period ahead.
No accident most prescient writers on Trump (@mashagessen, @sarahkendzior et al) experts on European, Central Asian authoritarian regimes.
That's your big clue that very little in US history, (un)fortunately, has prepared you for existential threat Trump represents to democracy.
For those upset that this a cynical, dark take: it's not. It's a reality check. It gets worse. That's how authoritarianism works.
Doesn't mean resistance vs such regimes hopeless. But to truly prepare, mobilize against such a regime, mvmts need to accept reality, facts.
And reality is: if you're counting on 2018, you're not really defending rule of law today. And if you don't act today, 2018 won't happen.
You organize, you resist, you call, you protest, you march - today. Authoritarians destroy tomorrow. Tomorrow is too late. Today. Now. /x

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libertydoddle · 16/05/2017 17:58

Interesting piece by Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times

What connects brexit, the DUP, dark money and a Saudi prince.

Extract as it's behind a paywall...

If Northern Ireland were a normal democracy, the election campaign would be dominated by a single question: how did the Democratic Unionist Party end up advancing the cause of a united Ireland through its support for Brexit? More specifically: what role did dark money play in that extraordinary decision? This story has all the makings of a John le Carré thriller but democracy on this island needs facts, not fiction.

To recap briefly: two days before the Brexit referendum last June, the Metro freesheet in London and other British cities came wrapped in a four-page glossy propaganda supplement urging readers to vote Leave. Bizarrely, it was paid for by the DUP, even though Metro does not circulate in Northern Ireland. At the time, the DUP refused to say what the ads cost or where the money came from.

We’ve since learned that the Metro wraparound cost a staggering £282,000 (€330,000) – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics. For context, the DUP had spent about £90,000 (€106,000) on its entire campaign for the previous month’s assembly elections. But this was not all: the DUP eventually admitted that this spending came from a much larger donation of £425,622 (€530,000) from a mysterious organisation, the Constitutional Research Council.

The mystery is not why someone seeking to influence the Brexit vote would want to do so through the DUP. Disgracefully, Northern Ireland is exempt from the UK’s requirements for the sources of large donations to be declared. The mystery, rather, is who were the ultimate sources of this money and why was it so important to keep their identities secret.

The Constitutional Research Council is headed by a Scottish conservative activist of apparently modest means, Richard Cook. It has no legal status, membership list or public presence and there is no reason to believe that Cook himself had half a million euro to throw around. But the DUP has been remarkably incurious about where the money ultimately came from. Peter Geoghegan (sometimes of this parish) and Adam Ramsay of the excellent openDemocracy website did some digging and what they’ve come up with is, to put it mildly, intriguing.

What they found is that Richard Cook has a history of involvement with a very senior and powerful member of the Saudi royal family, who also happens to have been a former director of the Saudi intelligence agency. In April 2013, Cook jointly founded a company called Five Star Investments with Prince Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz al Saud. The prince, whose address is given as a royal palace in Jeddah, is listed on the company’s initial registration as the holder of 75 per cent of the shares. Cook had 5 per cent. The other 20 per cent of the shares belonged to a man called Peter Haestrup, a Danish national with an address in Wiltshire, whose own colourful history we must leave aside for reasons of space.

Prince Nawwaf, who died in 2015, was no casual investor. He had been Saudi minister for finance, government spokesman and diplomatic fixer before becoming head of intelligence. His son, Mohammed bin Nawwaf, has, moreover, been the Saudi ambassador to both the UK and Ireland since 2005. When Five Star was set up in 2013, Prince Nawwaf was 80, had suffered a stroke and used a wheelchair. It seems rather remarkable that he was going into business with a very minor and obscure Scottish conservative activist. But we have no idea what that business was. Five Star never filed accounts. In August 2014, the Companies Office in Edinburgh threatened to strike it off and in December it was indeed dissolved.

It may be entirely co-incidental that the man who channelled £425,622 to the DUP had such extremely high level Saudi connections. We simply don’t know. We also don’t know whether the current Saudi ambassador had any knowledge of his father’s connection to Richard Cook. But here’s the thing: the DUP claims not to know either. And that is at best reckless and at worst illegal.

Arlene Foster told the BBC in late February that she did not even know how much the mystery donor had given the party. Then the party, under pressure, revealed the amount, but insisted that ascribing the donation to Cook’s Constitutional Research Council was enough and people should stop asking questions. Then, in early March, Jeffrey Donaldson told openDemocracy that the DUP did not need to know the true source of the money.

But this is simply untrue. The UK electoral commission is clear: “a donation of more than £500 cannot be accepted… if the donation is from a source that cannot be identified”. The legal onus is on the DUP to establish that the real donor was entitled to put money into a UK political campaign. If it can’t do that, it has to repay the £425,622. Since it has not done so, we have to assume it knows the true source is not, for example, a foreign government – which would be illegal.

The DUP has harmed Northern Ireland and endangered the union it exists to protect. How much did the lure of dark money influence that crazy decision? Any self-respecting voter would want to know.

NancyWake · 16/05/2017 19:45

I'll believe experts before I believe the Telegraph

The info on lack of evidence for phishing emails does not come from the Telegraph but from the 'experts' working on the hack.

The head of threat intelligence at IBM has said, despite cybersecurity companies blaming phishing emails, that having analysed 1 billion emails dating back to the beginning of March they have found not one linked to the attack. They don't know the first person in each network got infected, nor how it spread. He said: "it's statistically very unusual that we'd scan and find no indicators".

Head of RSA security at Dell agreed: "right now there's no clear indication of the first compromise for WannaCry".

Apparently once a certain amount of infections were established, they spread via Microsoft vulnerabilities without the aid of phishing.

The general consensus also seems to be that there was very little money made and the money collection mechanisms were very unsophisticated - no features for easy payment according to the IBM head, no feature to empty bitcoin wallets according to Chainanalyis. Compare this to a ransomware attack Locky that made $15 million, repeatedly emptying the bitcoin accounts.

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 21:19

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/05/16/acrimonious-and-divisive-the-role-the-media-played-in-brexit/
Acrimonious and divisive: the role the media played in Brexit

Fascinating analysis. Lots of interesting points including these two:

Leave campaigners and partisan news outlets strongly protested against accusations that their focus on immigration was prejudiced or intolerant. Yet, based on most definitions, it is hard not to find their claims and coverage discriminatory. Out of 111 articles that expressed a view about Turks, for example, 98% (109) were negative. Out of 90 articles that expressed a view about Albanians, 100% were negative. Three metaphors were dominant in the coverage of migrants: migrants as water (‘floodgates’, ‘waves’), as animals or insects (‘flocking’, ‘swarming’) or as an invading force.

Sovereignty was not, as has been claimed, a more important issue during the campaign than immigration. Sovereignty was a secondary issue, discussed in the context of primary issues like the economy, immigration and healthcare. It was a way for people to talk about the political issues they cared about, and about gaining greater power over those issues, however they were defined. Hence why almost half the references to sovereignty also included references to the ambiguous Vote Leave slogan ‘Taking back control’.

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Bolshybookworm · 16/05/2017 21:19

I think you'll find that May is the chef from Trolls.....

www.dreamworks.com/trolls/explore/bergens/chef

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 21:41

Wow. The Evening Standard Editoral today....

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-at-least-labour-is-being-honest-about-taxation-a3540346.html
Evening Standard comment: At least Labour is being honest about taxation

Its half a dig at Corbyn for going to far and apparently making the same messages as Hollande but half a compliment for being honest that we need to pay more taxes (and more or less justifies austerity because we were not prepared to pay more tax).

There's also this paragraph which doesn't hold back...

Finally, the Brexiteers came along and said that the answer to the NHS’s problems was to withdraw from Britain’s largest export markets. Now, like a duped drunk in a strip bar, voters find that, far from getting their hands on the goodies, they have been left with a large bill. Britain isn’t getting an extra £350 million a week for the NHS; it is instead going to have to pay billions in accumulated liabilities to leave the EU.

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 21:46

Re Evening standard Editorial Above.

George Eaton‏*@georgeeaton*
Osborne also admits that he underfunded schools and hospitals: "They couldn't do everything that was asked of them".

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HashiAsLarry · 16/05/2017 21:50

bolshy DH spat his drink out when I read that to him Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 16/05/2017 22:19

Returning to Brexit:

Neither the Tories nor Labour seem to accept that if they wish to maintain the current access for goods and services, then this means FoM and ECJ.

Almost certainly for the 3 year transition too, because even if DD thinks he can get trade deals around the world in this time, Barnier & Juncker know it could take 7-10 years.
So, that original 3 years would keep getting extended.

The EU want to avoid the situation of the UK in perpetuity having its cake and eating it, with no reason to ever fully leave.

So, imo there is a high chance of no transition period at all, because

  1. May won't / politically can't accept FoM and ECJ
  2. They may never get as far as discussing trade & transition if they can't agree on the Irish border and on E27 expats - where May is currently refusing to let them keep current rights.
RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 22:34

BigChoc when I saw the criteria for getting past stage one I thought the same. Davies has more or less confirmed that. I wouldn't be surprised if talks collapse completely by the end of July.

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/05/2017 22:37

(Times paywall) How Donald Trump’s blunder went from bad to worse

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/how-trumps-blunder-went-from-bad-to-worse-98rcnfgjq

"A blunder in the Oval Office by an excited President Trump has effectively tipped off Isis that they may have a spy in their ranks

Mr Trump’s revelation to Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, that he gets amazing intelligence and that the latest included a tip-off from a source about an Isis laptop bomb plot,
was a classic case of an over-effusive president boasting about the secrets in his in-tray."

What compounded the blunder was the leak by officials or former officials who spread the word.
Within hours, the whole world,
including of course Isis,
knew that somewhere in the militant Islamist hierarchy there may be a source feeding the West with vital intelligence.

To make matters even worse, the intelligence came from a US ally"
< The allies have a permanent understanding never to pass on intelligence to a third party without prior agreement of the organization providing it>

Isis now knows why the US department of homeland security wants to ban laptops in hand luggage for flights to America from Europe.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/05/2017 22:41

red I fear the negotiators may not get as far as actually discussing any of the issues

  • because the Uk govt doesn't accept the EU negotiating format / timeline, in which they only start discussing trade & transition after at least broadly agreeing the issues of expats and Irish border

So, the talks about talks may crash Sad

woman12345 · 16/05/2017 23:06

There's Something Michael Fassbender Finds Scary About Britain

How do you find the atmosphere in the UK at the moment

The thing that scares me are the xenophobic vibes. Mob mentality is the scariest thing - that concept of 'us and them'. I find that unsettling

www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/theres-something-michael-fassbender-finds-scary-about-britain/ar-BBBc2uZ?li=BBoPJKU&ocid=mailsignout

So, the talks about talks may crash
Mob mentality and food shortages. Not a good thing.
Presume Pol Pot May has army ready to go in August. Sad

Just seen a great movie:
www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/20/i-am-not-your-negro-review-james-baldwin-raoul-peck
5 Westminstenders stars.

The great, late James Baldwin on Dr King, Malcom X and Medgar Evers. How racists need a victim, all too familiar with May and Trump. 1950s US looks like the spooky vision for brexit britain, and what was apartheid South Africa.

Great film.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/05/2017 23:08

2 Polls came out on Tuesday
Panelbase & Kantar both have:

  • Tories on 47%, but Panelbase has them dropping , whereas Kantar has them on the rise
  • Labour % increasing, to around 30%
  • LibDems v low and still dropping
  • UKIP v low and no or still falling. Decomposing corpse.

We seem back to 2-party politics

Panelbase
http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W10470w4tablesforpublication150517.pdf

CON 47%(-1)
LAB 33%(+2)
LDEM 7%(-1)
UKIP 5%(nc)

Kantar
http://www.tns-bmrb.co.uk/sites/tns-bmrb/files/KPUK%20-%20Polling%20tables%20-%2016.5.2017_0.pdf

CON 47%(+3)
LAB 29%(+1)
LDEM 8%(-3)
UKIP 6%(-2)

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 23:13

medium.com/@helenldecruz/no-there-are-not-22-re-leavers-d40c0c78833e
No, there are not 23% 'Re-Leavers'

The propaganda of the leaver, released and the remainer (or the enthusiastic, undecided and the resistor)

Incidentally I hadnt seen it divided into these groups until after Lord Ashcroft had published his predictions. Make of that what you will

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/05/2017 23:22

Wiki's graph of all polls since the 2015 GE shows that after the June GE was announced, both Tory and Labour support picked up, while the smaller parties dropped:

Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off
woman12345 · 16/05/2017 23:23

Because the political establishment are following May's narrative, the idea of the UK remaining in the EU is no longer a live option
(from that blog)

Does something cease to exist because it is perceived to cease to exist?
And does it not exist because of the mob mentality?
So is it democratic narrative?
Not really questions.